anavar or turinabol, turinabol or anavar...WICH ONE?!

[hdd123]

Ok, seems I can get some turinabol 50mg/per tab. and anavar- the same dosage, only it's more expensive in my area. I need to know what would be more suitable for me, if I'm going to gain rather strenght not big muscle mass+ I'm absolutely new in relations with roids.
Here some things I need to get known before I touch rhem:
1) which of them'll shut the ****in down hpta faster (also the day or week count during the t-bal, anav. cycle when there'd start supression to the hpta)?
2) wich of them can suppress hpta function harder?
3) which have the worst impact on liver?
4) how roughtly each suppress testosterone levels.?
5) noticable advantages, that each has?
6) noticable poverties, that each has?
7) very bad-suprising simptoms during, the use, about what is nowhere publicly writen?
8) my nuts...I DON'T WANNA GET THEM SHRANK !!!-?
9) The nolvadex+ clomid would be enough for pct, or I'd need something stronger (hcg)?
10) please cycle examples from all the people (are in the swim) of this site forum- I need at lest 4 cycle examples to choose only one of them.

I'm doing this my first cycle containing one "mild" oral roid. If this cycle came without some serious shits and there'd be second, I'm considering some week injectable testosterone for the second cycle. Hmm...what else, I really need to done my first cycle without bad impact to my organism's systems, so be so kind help me out a lot.

[james21]

Ok, seems I can get some turinabol 50mg/per tab. and anavar- the same dosage, only it's more expensive in my area. I need to know what would be more suitable for me, if I'm going to gain rather strenght not big muscle mass+ I'm absolutely new in relations with roids.
Here some things I need to get known before I touch rhem:
1) which of them'll shut the ****in down hpta faster (also the day or week count during the t-bal, anav. cycle when there'd start supression to the hpta)? they are both not verry suppressive, but i saw more suppression with long stint of tbol at a high dose than var at a high dose
2) wich of them can suppress hpta function harder?
3) which have the worst impact on liver? They are both "liver toxic" because they are 17methylated however they are on the lower end of the scale and are safe for relatively long cycles
4) how roughtly each suppress testosterone levels.? Both suppress varies
5) noticable advantages, that each has?Tbol makes you feel not so shut down, you get alot of strength and some mass but with me it felt like i was almost on test
6) noticable poverties, that each has?Poverty is a condition in which a person or community is deprived of, or lacks the essentials for a minimum standard of well-being and life. ...?
7) very bad-suprising simptoms during, the use, about what is nowhere publicly writen? I felt like shit on var
8) my nuts...I DON'T WANNA GET THEM SHRANK !!!-?They probably will but they come back
9) The nolvadex+ clomid would be enough for pct, or I'd need something stronger (hcg)?Normal pct is fine
10) please cycle examples from all the people (are in the swim) of this site forum- I need at?what ? swim ?

I'm doing this my first cycle containing one "mild" oral roid. If this cycle came without some serious shits and there'd be second, I'm considering some week injectable testosterone for the second cycle. Hmm...what else, I really need to done my first cycle without bad impact to my organism's systems, so be so kind help me out a lot.

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[hdd123]

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Danke, u helped me out quite a lot. With the word combination to be in swim I meaned forum users who've had deal with both of these substances. With poverty I meaned some noticable lacks, privations, etc. How about hcg- u didn't say if I'll need this strong substance for the pct or with nolva+clomid would be enough.
Actually I'm considering to take 25mg of Anavar (or Turinabol) per day, because it's said to be suitable for beginners.
This question might very stupid or funny, but for me it's really serious: btw, how small can my testicles get shrank in the end of cycle (in diameter)- please "say" some example of average man testicles' size before and in the end of cycle or say some examples haha...of some objects compared to, how small the testicles looked (in the end of the cycle). Man, I really need to know this, because what then, if I'd want to make some children in future.

[james21]

25mg of either substance is VERY light. I think the lowest i would go is 40 of either. On the nut thing i can just tell you from experience that my nuts shrunk to about half the size on a fiarly long cycle but came back to full size.

[hdd123]

25mg of either substance is VERY light. I think the lowest i would go is 40 of either. On the nut thing i can just tell you from experience that my nuts shrunk to about half the size on a fiarly long cycle but came back to full size.

Ok, this is quite useful, but here'd be something else to ask: I was diagnosticed as having some form of hypothyreosis in my late teens, so I'm on levothyroxine 100mcg for more than 3 years: would this medicine go together with both of roids I' mentioned (anavar, t-bol)? I also want to know how dramatically might shrink testicles compared to anavar or t-bol, if used some form of injectable or oral testosterones (would the nuts shrink even more if on test?).

P.S. Wait!...How about that pct- do I need hcg in pct, if I'm choosing to do anavar or t-bol for 6- 8 weeks, or with clomid would be enough?

[james21]

all these questions are mostly dose dependant so its hard to answer also every is different, Also your levothyroxine will go fine with either one.

[hdd123]

all these questions are mostly dose dependant so its hard to answer also every is different, Also your levothyroxine will go fine with either one.

Alright, u helped me quite a lot, answering to my questions, so thnx u a lot for your help.

[200byjune]

he coverd it right on the money

[hdd123]

he coverd it right on the money

What? Make more "limpid" comment: have no clue u meaned....So?

[fedorrulz]

try one at a time and see how your body response to each one.

[hdd123]

try one at a time and see how your body response to each one.

I think, If I'll take the both of them together, I won't detect which effects come from each roid taken: it'd be like a blend of the both effects. So, why do you think they must be taken together?

[fedorrulz]

I don't take multiple drugs because I want to know exactly which ones cause side effects. This is why I don't use tren , test, winny, etc etc. Bad side effects popped up, literally (ZITS), when I was taking certain roids solo. I never use them again. Find two that have low side effects on you, then combine them. But to randomly select two drugs you have never used and try them is asking for trouble.

[hdd123]

Prev. comment:
try one at a time and see how your body response to each one.

at a time- means together... so I thought u meaned to use them together and then figer out what effects and defects each has.

My prev. comment:
I think, If I'll take the both of them together, I won't detect which effects come from each roid taken: it'd be like a blend of the both effects. So, why do you think they must be taken together?

Your Current comment:
I don't take multiple drugs because I want to know exactly which ones cause side effects.This is why I don't use tren , test, winny, etc etc. Bad side effects popped up, literally (ZITS), when I was taking certain roids solo. I never use them again. Find two that have low side effects on you, then combine them. But to randomly select two drugs you have never used and try them is asking for trouble.

Ok, sorry, but I'm going to dismember your comment a little bit:
Find two that have low side effects on you, then combine them. (I found Anavar, primobolan and t-bol, what really have less side effects instead of others, but there was said, that two orals for the first cycle is not good idea+ I don't know if they for real have less side effects direct on ME).
But to randomly select two drugs you have never used and try them is asking for trouble (Alright , as I said I'm beginner and have never done roids, so also anavar or t-bol, what have low side- effects not better try together, because I've never used them+ I don't select randomly drugs, because, doin so,I can randomly get back even methyltestosterone or halo).
!Attention: I'm not sneering at you, just try to figer out what I don't understand, peace and thnx for all your comments here.