by Wright. Obama's close friend and spiritual adviser is quickly sinking the SS Obama, bu by Obama
Hillary is un-electable
I just wish i had a better candidate to vote for than McCain, but he's MUCH closer to the center than the other 2.
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Hillary is un-electable
I just wish i had a better candidate to vote for than McCain, but he's MUCH closer to the center than the other 2.
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I saw a few interviews with Rev. Wright, and he seems ok to me. The comment about "God Damm America" was taken way out of context, as has most of his other comments.
Sheesh . . . Some folks are just too damm quick to judge . . .
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NO WAY it was taken out of context, did you watch his latest 2 debacles? Why do you think Obama just called him outrageous, and seriously distanced himself from Wright.Originally Posted by Tock
Wright is a racist wack a doodle, and Obama said as much, so do you now say Obama is too quick to judge? This guy was Obama's pastor for 20 yrs, and his political and spiritual advisor for 20 years, and he NOW say's he's crazy. Seems like some political expedience to me on the part of Obama.
I think Obama agreed w/ Wright for 20 years, and now Obama's being a politician and trying to distance himself from Wright, and Wright does not like it, and he SAID AS SUCH, he knows his speeches at the media thing and the NAACP thing are torching Obama, and the polls SAY SO.
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i can't let this Slide...
Do you agree w/ Wright's saying the US introduced Aids as a form of genocide against blacks??
Do you agree w/ his comparisons of the USA and Al Quada?
Do you agree that Farrakhan is one of the "greatest voices" of the 20th and 21st century?
Do you think the US's chickens are "coming home to roost"
Do you think the US introduced illegal drugs as a way to keep the black man down?
Do you support Wright traveling to Libya w/ Farrakhan to give Louie a lifetime achievement award?
Now I know Wright has done TONS of good, but i just don't get how a Christian Pastor can spew such divisive and hate filled rhetoric, he is supposed to be spreading the message of Christ, which is love, forgiveness, and compassion...
BTW, you may wanna check out Obama's denouncing Wright in his speech today in NC...
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The US government did something quite similar not too long ago. Ever hear of the Tuskeegee Study?
Check it out at
http://www.tuskegee.edu/Global/story.asp?S=6377076
It's appalling.
To answer your question, I can't say that I know for sure that the US government did not have a hand in spreading the disease. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. I don't know for sure, and I don't think you do either.
Specifically, what did he say?Do you agree w/ his comparisons of the USA and Al Quada?
Yes, I do.Do you agree that Farrakhan is one of the "greatest voices" of the 20th and 21st century?
I agree with some of what he said, and disagree with some. He is silly enough to beleive in a god. He also seems to have a problem with letting gay people be themselves. On the other hand, he is the leader of millions of people (how many of those are there?), plus he's a pretty good violinist.
He's not the sort of fellow I'd want to hang around with, but he's obviously a significant individual. Ya, I'd call him "one of the greatest voices of the 20/21st centuries."
Absolutely. Look at the plunging value of the US dollar. Look at all the US jobs going overseas. The US government has been spending lots more than it has taken in, and now foreign governments unfriendly to the US own a significant % of US debt, and could easily plunge the US into a financial catastrophe any time it wants.Do you think the US's chickens are "coming home to roost"
No. Drugs became a big problem when veterans brought their drug addictions (and supplies) back with them from the Vietnam War (which was another stupid, unjustified war).Do you think the US introduced illegal drugs as a way to keep the black man down?
[quote] Do you support Wright traveling to Libya w/ Farrakhan to give Louie a lifetime achievement award?[/qoute]
I support his right to do so, sure.
Do you feel that the US government should have stopped him from going there?
Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean that your perception of it is accurate.Now I know Wright has done TONS of good, but i just don't get how a Christian Pastor can spew such divisive and hate filled rhetoric, he is supposed to be spreading the message of Christ
Folks who have been born as second-class citizens in this country, folks who know what it's like to be turned away from businesses because of their race or sexual orientation, folks who minister to people who suffer from laws that allow other US citizens to legally take advantage of them . . . ya, those people might understand what he was saying.
Maybe walking a mile in their shoes would give you a greater understanding . . .
The message of Christ is this: "Beleive in ME, or else burn in Hellfire forever!"the message of Christ, which is love, forgiveness, and compassion...
Not much compassion there, IMHO . . .
Saw the news story.BTW, you may wanna check out Obama's denouncing Wright in his speech today in NC...
Yawn. I don't really care . . .
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All politicians in this country need to tell voters that they're religious, particularly if they are not. One easy way to do that is to become what's called a "Sunday Morning Christian."
As they say, just because you go to church on Sunday doesn't mean you're a Christian any more than sitting in a garage makes you an automobile.
I seriously doubt that Obama relies on anyone for spiritual advice. Nobody does . . .
Sheesh . . .
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SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME WHAT WRIGHT SAID THAT AS RACIST?
While I don't necessarily agree with everything Wright said (really only the AIDS comment, but cnsidering the Tuskegee experiment...who knows), its not what he said I have a problem wiith, its how he said it.
Seems to me whenever someone points out the truth of America when it comes to race, he is villified.
Farrakhan is/was a very inspirational person to many blacks. He opened our eyes to a lot. But while I don't agree with his anti-semetic rhetoric, he has been right on in terms of racism in America. He's just as misunderstood as Malcolm X (who people still judge as his pre-mecca perrsona).
At the end of the day, Obama just got swift-boated!
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1. "but cnsidering the Tuskegee experiment...who knows" - There goes any credibility you have in this discussion
2. Racist? How about referring to Italians as "garlic noses"?
3. How about noting that comparing black kids to white kids is like "comparing apples to rocks"?
4. What you also have to consider is the overall tone of his speech. He is full of hate and separatism. This is not that type of person that would bring people together. I thought we wanted to judge people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin?
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1. Why does the Tuskegee experiment discredit me? Did the government not give black men syphillis intentionally as an experiment without their knowledge? I'm not saying the US government did create AIDS to destroy minorities but is it not outside the realm of possibility since they did a similar thing in the past?
2. Garlic nose comment was heresay. Of all the video of the Rev. Where is the video of the 'garlic noses' comment?
3. How is saying "apples to rocks' racist? What I got out of that comment was him implying that the two groups are so completely different you cannot compare them (a point in which I do not agree with).
4. True his speeches are full of anger (nothing he said, IMO, shows hatred) and a bit of seperatists. But that still doesn't dismiss the fact that much of what the Rev says about white racism is the truth. It seems to me that white America has a problem with hearing the truth. Just like any other group when confronted by someone outside their own.
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McCains spiritual guide calls for the destruction of islam:
http://www.motherjones.com/washingto...ual-guide.html
McCain's Spiritual Guide: Destroy Islam
notice how the media never mentions that and just talks endlessly about obamas guy..
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2."(Jesus') enemies had their opinion about Him," Wright wrote in a eulogy of the late scholar Asa Hilliard in the November/December 2007 issue. "The Italians for the most part looked down their garlic noses at the Galileans."
4. it seems to me as you have a touch of racism in you.
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9/11 and the statements made by Wrights happened in the past 7 years. So he has not made these statements for 20 years. 20 years is a long period of time and people change. For 13 years this guy could have been very positive and now he's just an ornery old man. (I'm sure we all know some.)
He was not Obama's political or spiritual advisor. He was the pastor of his church. Both Obama and Rev. Wright said they never discussed politics. Rev. Wright also said during the press conference that Obama did not hear his entire sermon. He said Obama denounced his statements by watching the clips aired on TV. If he had heard the entire sermon he'd know he was quoting an Ambassador to Iraq. That proves he was not there when the statements were made.
Another thing that's funny. Everyone is spreading rumors that Obama is Muslim. This whole Rev. Wright thing proves that he's not.
McCain sought the endorsement of Hagee and was happy to get it. Why are we not judging McCain by Hagee's beliefs?
A quote from McCain "All I can tell you is that I am very proud to have Pastor John Hagee's support."
A quote from Hagee "The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God's plan for both Israel and the West...a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ."
Since McCain is happy to have him as a supporter does John McCain agree with Hagee that he should bomb, bomb, bomb Iran to fulfill the biblical prophecy of Armageddon and bring about the second coming of Christ. Why isn't the media all over McCain like they are Obama for Hagee's beliefs?
On February 27, 2008, John McCain stood on a San Antonio stage with Pastor Hagee. When will John McCain say where he stands on Hagee's most dangerous - and apocalyptic - beliefs about Iran?
For his part, in March Pastor Hagee assured CNN's Glenn Beck that Barack Obama is not the Anti-Christ. Of course not. According to John Hagee, the Anti-Christ will be the head of the European Union.
In an editorial Wednesday, the New York Times notes that "Senator John McCain has continued to embrace a prominent white supporter, Pastor John Hagee, whose bigotry matches that of Mr. Wright."
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Cable News Discovers Scary Black People! Eeek!
Foot note: Before you start going off about race this was written by a White guy.Pretty much. And this sudden obsession with Rev. Wright is, if you can get through the banging-your-head-against-a-wall part of it, fairly amusing. It's like the American media has just discovered -- OMG! Black people! And with religion!?
Now, none of these pundits gave a flying, candy-coated damn about some of the most influential preachers in America saying vile, despicable things and being continually rewarded for it with political praise and power. Robertson, Falwell, Dobson, Hagee -- there is an entire movement of evangelicals devoted to saying vicious things on national TV under the cloak of religion. Hagee seems to make a special habit of saying loathsome things against others -- blaming Hurricane Katrina on gays, or calling Catholicism "the great whore" and a "cult" -- and there sure haven't been hours and hours of attention devoted to him and his various political connections. No weeklong agonizing on how figures who asininely blamed 9/11 on feminists and abortionists continued to receive the praise and attention of the White House and other prominent politicians -- it was just presumed that they would. It wasn't even a serious question.
Wright, on the other hand, is being treated as zoological specimen. Good gracious -- what is this strange religious creature we have discovered? He talks about religion, and he tells jokes, and speaks angrily about bigotry! Eek! Everybody stand on their chairs!
Wright has said controversial, even ridiculous things -- and glory be, let us all marvel at the notion of a preacher in America saying controversial, even ridiculous things -- but I think it's hard to argue against the notion that he would not be receiving this level of obsessive scrutiny if he were white. I mean, no kidding: as evidence, see the above list of politically entrenched white evangelicals saying worse things to larger audiences with no significant impact whatsoever. Of course, Wright doesn't represent "black" religion any more than Pat Robertson represents "white" religion -- yet another thing I earnestly hope the pundits of America figure out sooner, and not later -- but they're both representative of certain religious movements in the nation, and one wonders what would happen if they received the same amount of scrutiny.
I'm reminded of the comparison by Jon Stewart of the media as preschoolers playing soccer, everyone trundling eagerly after the rolling ball with no gameplan, or goal, or even basic sense of direction. Wright's past link with Obama is I think almost secondary, at this point... certain segments of the media seem absolutely giddy at the idea of being able to hold this guy up and examine him, and the Obama connection has given them an "in" to do it without looking quite as salacious as they would under other circumstances. It's a typical media Shark Attack Week, but with scary black people instead of sharks.
Is it more funny than embarrassing, or more embarrassing than funny? I suppose it's all in how you look at it.
In any event, Obama has now disavowed Wright, and using stronger words than any candidate has ever used against Robertson, Dobson, Hagee, etc. This will likely lead to no public reflection whatsoever about the role of religion in politics, or about the treatment of equally controversial religious figures that get coddled by the press and politicians instead of chastised. So the game continues, and the rules are the same as always.
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[QUOTE=Carlos_E;3954672]9/11 and the statements made by Wrights happened in the past 7 years. So he has not made these statements for 20 years. 20 years is a long period of time and people change. For 13 years this guy could have been very positive and now he's just an ornery old man. (I'm sure we all know some.)
You've heard sermons from back then? Oh wait, you haven't. Going by the evidence we have there is no reason to think he wasn't like that back then. This is especially true when Wright goes on TV and defends his comments and leaves the "taken out of context" theory behind
He was not Obama's political or spiritual advisor. He was the pastor of his church. Both Obama and Rev. Wright said they never discussed politics. Rev. Wright also said during the press conference that Obama did not hear his entire sermon. He said Obama denounced his statements by watching the clips aired on TV. If he had heard the entire sermon he'd know he was quoting an Ambassador to Iraq. That proves he was not there when the statements were made.
That is an intentionally misleading characterization by you. He was plainly and openly more than just some guy BO saw every Sunday for 2 hours. He even had a POSITION ON OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN. Obama readily admits he would run ideas by Wright for guidance in politics as well.
Another thing that's funny. Everyone is spreading rumors that Obama is Muslim. This whole Rev. Wright thing proves that he's not.
No credible political sources are doing that, nice try
McCain sought the endorsement of Hagee and was happy to get it. Why are we not judging McCain by Hagee's beliefs?
McCain is secular minded and not very religious. He was happy to get the endorsement because the religious right are one of the few groups that DO come out to vote every election and he needs those votes to get elected.
A quote from McCain "All I can tell you is that I am very proud to have Pastor John Hagee's support."
See above
A quote from Hagee "The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God's plan for both Israel and the West...a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ."
Since McCain is happy to have him as a supporter does John McCain agree with Hagee that he should bomb, bomb, bomb Iran to fulfill the biblical prophecy of Armageddon and bring about the second coming of Christ. Why isn't the media all over McCain like they are Obama for Hagee's beliefs?[
Again, see above. There is virtually no relationship between the two before the endorsement, unlike Barack's 20 years of sitting in the pews listening to a hate-filled black man pointing the finger at whitey
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As usual, Carlos fail
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Have you heard his sermons from back then? Oh wait, you haven't. You're making an assumption. Interviews by members of the church say they were not hate filled sermons. America's darling Oprah Winfrey attended the same church for years during the same time as Obama. So we're to assumed Oprah sat through the same hate filled sermons and hates whitey. You know, guilt by association.
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I don't think there is hate in Obama, so it doesn't matter to me what Wright said or didn't say. My problem with Obama is he sounds just like any other tax loving democrat with a superiority complex. The longer the Democratic race goes on, the more obvious it appears that each is deeply flawed. I don't know how the Democrats are managing to fumble this one, look at Bush's approval rating.
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I agree nobody like to hearing bad things about them. But i feel like people have to stop having the victim mentality. Your never gonig to get passed it or advace if you keep making excusses for why you are at the point your at. Cosby was put down bad when he made his speeches about this.
BTW i didnt mean you personally when i said you
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4. That's laughable! Truth hurt? Its funny how someone could accuse me of being a racist when I'm half-white as is my wife and kids! Kinda like calling Obama a racists isn't it?
Racists...check the mirror and please provide a link to that eulogy.
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Oprah left the church if I remember correctly, unlike your boy Obama. Naturally members of the church aren't going to sell out their pastor. Until I see real tangible evidence otherwise, I'm going to assume that people don't change. It's ok, it's not like you have a bias or anything.
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I dont think your a racist but any race can be a racist
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I've never denied that. I was responding to buttercup. I think we've gone through this several times on other threads Gixxer. Its all good. Just good-spirited debate.
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