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i just got a hold of 3000ml of tren a , 7500ml of cyp , 300 .02mcg of clen and 200 50mcg of cytomel along with nolva and clomid for pct . whats the best way to cycle these compounds . me 6'4 235 train 6 days a week and 4 days at twice a day . cardio real good diet very good.
chemically engineered
what are your goals?
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^^^ and are you sure you got 3000mL of tren and not 3 10mL bottles at 100mg/mL
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I was wondering the same thing, 101 fluid ounces would last a while.Originally Posted by phate186
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yeah, not to mention cost a small fortune, being 18 and working sometimes 90 hours a week i just saw that and almost fell off my chair
Junior Member
sorry too many zeros 3 10 ml bottles
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goal is too loose a few more lbs ... january weighted in at 274 i"m down to 235 .... my test levels are real low but doc said if i was goona do anything with clen go on a test instead of a treatment with him and when I'm at my goal he would treat the low test.but he cann:t prescribe more then what i need for treatment. Or what do u guys think i should go on
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stats?
age
weight
height
bf
cycle experience
training experince
more specific goals
Junior Member
28 yrs old done plent of cycles in college playing football ... goal is to drop a few more ilbs that i cann"t get off but if i runt tren and clen it lowers my test levels which are already low so i need a test so i got cyp. my buddy gave me the cytomel cause he wasn't usuing them so i was wondering how to put it all together
Junior Member
anyone got advice
Made Up Of Wires
post your diet in the diet forum for critique
Junior Member
whats my diet got to do with this cycle...i see a nutrionest for my diet . i want help on stacking this cycle
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your diet has everything to do with your cycle, in fact most people here will tell you that diet is 80% of cycling, so posting your diet is one of the easiest and best things you can do to improve the efficiency and gains created by your cycle, btw, a nutritionist is not going to be able to help you create a cycling diet unless they know your using AAS and know how to diet while on steroids, it's not something they learn in school
Made Up Of Wires
Yeah, most nutritionists/dieticians are retarded when it comes to bodybuilding nutrition.
Diet has EVERYTHING to do with losing fat.
You can run all the gear you want, without an optimal cutting diet you're going to get shitty results. Sorry.
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most nutritionists/dieticians are retarded when it comes to bodybuilding nutrition??? Can't you just trust bigdog when he says his diet is ok and give the guy a little advice?
Made Up Of Wires
Yes.
We're just trying to help him... he thinks steroids are magic and will make him lose fat by themselves... we're saying he should double check his diet.
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no, how this works is he researchs and becomes knowledgable about his specific goals and what AS would be the best to accomplish those goals, then if he's ready for AS (proper age, reached genetic peak, diet in check, which is still to be seen, and training routine is good) he puts together a cycle and posts it, we critique it till it's the best it can be, then he goes out and buys the stuff he needs
most of us don't feel like taking the time to make cycles for people 20 times a day from a list of stuff that they just decided to get for whatever reason
not flaming anyone here, but i dont know how many threads i've responded to where people say "i just bought all this stuff, now make me a cycle"
we are an educational forum, not a personal cycle planner
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New Member
if you don't feel like taking the time to help then why respond? Maybe somebody does feel like helping. I think every nutritionist/dietician that reads this is going to feel like they got flamed and I just read the no flame policy. I don't think us newbies need to be spoonfed either but it sure is intimidating to ask a question around here. Sorry.
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^^^ those are good points and if i came across like an ass i didn't mean too
i have the upmost respect for nutricianist/dieticians, but the fact is that they are not trained to help those whose bodies are being chemically enhanced to absorb much more nutrients than is normally possible so their information is going to be flawed somewhat
i've only been posting on here for less than a month now i believe so by my post count, btw all my posts are answers to people's questions in this forum, you can see that i don't mind helping people but i don't like when people want us to give them answers when they haven't taken the time to research properly
personally if i don't know an answer to a question i search till i find something and if i can't find something within half an hour then i'll post a thread, but only then, though that's just me
neway, i'll be happy to help bigdog but after he's done a bit more research and i still hold that he should post his diet because that way he can start getting into a routine with it before he starts to cycle and won't have to battle with it later
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hey phate, you did'nt come across like an ass to me. after reading most of your posts I can see you really are helpful. I also agree that research is key in learning about aas instead of taking shortcuts. I learned the hard way that diet is most important and steroids are not magical. I also learned some of my most valuable lessons from guys like you and not always research. I guess I just took offense by some statements made by others that classify most nutritionists as retarded and assuming that bigdog thinks steroids are magical and being so short with him.
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thanks bro, anyway i think we've hijacked this thread enough and bigdog should have his answers by now
Bigdog, here's some stuff to read to get you started with your diet
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=323516
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=39010
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=75729
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=305360
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i don't think u cam off like an ass i should of been more specific my nutrionist is a bodybuilder . last aug. i weighed 330 january got to 274 know i'm about 235-240 all cause diet and cardio . heres my diet and i do tweak it here and there.
Meal #1
3 egg whites
3 oz. lean protein
1/2 cup oatmeal before cooking
Meal #2
Protein Drink: 2 Scoops Protein powder, 4-6 frozen or fresh strawberries and 12-oz water
or
4 oz chicken breast (or lean protein), 1 cup lettuce & 1 apple
Meal #3
6 oz. chicken (before cooking) (or lean protein)
6 oz. sweet potato or 1/2 cup cooked brown rice
1.5 cup vegetables or salad with 2 TBS. Low Cal Dressing
Meal #4
2 Scoops whey powder
4-6 strawberries
12 oz water
this is before workout
Meal #5
8 - 10 oz. 93% lean protein but once or twice a week steak
2 cups vegetables
Meal #6
2 whole eggs + 4 egg whites, 5 oz. 93% lean protein , 1 cup vegetables
Or: 4-oz chicken breast and 4 oz beef & 1 cup veg or 6 oz sweet potato
Or: 2 Scoops casein protein powder, 12 oz water
Supplement Programs
2 Tbsp flax seed oil (1 in am & 1 in pm)
Multi Vitamin w/ 1st meal
10 BCAA's after w/o
My workout is cardio 45 mins in morning then weight train in afternoon
know my cycle i wanted to do was
Clen 8 weeks straight tamper up and down with benedryl every 3rd week
Tren A 100ml eod
Test cyp 500ml ew split 2 in 2 days
also got cytomel but not sure how to run it as far as when to start and stop and dosage or should i not even run it at all .
PCT nolva and clomid starting 2 weeks after last shot.
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Looks good to me bigdog.
Just outta curiosity, how many of you dudes who talk all this smack about not using aas before reaching your genetic potential reached you genetic peak before cycling? About 3% I'll bet. Im pretty new to this game but i concur, alot of you guys are pretty arrogant and self righteous about the "dark side". Give it a rest, we all live in the real world. This is supposed to be an educational forum, not a big dick contest.
Last edited by Bjohnson; 04-26-2008 at 05:53 AM.
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well i'm 18 right now and have been researching since i was 16 and don't plan on cycling till i'm 24 or 25 so i guess that puts me in the 3%. I've wanted to and wish i could cycle right now but i haven't reached my peak yet, i'm 5'7, 185lbs at 8%bf right now and am cutting a bit more to get to 6%
anyway, i agree that bigdog's diet is pretty good, though i'd pm it to perfectbeast, he's giving free diet help right now so i'd take advantage of it
here's a thread on cycling t3/clen for you to read
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ight=clen%2Ft3
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If a doctor smokes and drinks, do you think it would be okay to advocate that to his patients. The people here give advice based on first hand experience, and learning from their mistakes so others get the benefit. It is not a big dick contest we are looking out for other people based on our experiences. Just because people do it doesn't mean it is okay.
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How does this sound or should i run it longer............
Day 1 Clen 60mcg / T3 50mcg/
Day 2 Clen 60mcg / T3 50mcg
Day 3 Clen 80mcg / T3 75mcg
Day 4 Clen 100mcg / T3 75mcg
Day 5 Clen 100mcg / T3 75mcg
Day 6 Clen 120mcg / T3 100mcg
Day 7 Clen 120mcg / T3 100mcg
Day8 -Day30 Clen 120mcg / T3 100mcg
Day31 Clen 120mcg / T3 75mcg
Day32 Clen 120mcg / T3 75mcg
Day33 Clen 120mcg / T3 75mcg
Day34 Clen 120mcg / T3 50mcg
Day35 Clen 120mcg / T3 50mcg
Day36 Clen 120mcg / T3 50mcg
Day37 Clen 120mcg / T3 50mcg
Day38 Clen 120mcg / T3 25mcg
Day39 Clen 120mcg/ T3 25mcg
Day40 Clen 80mcg / T3 25mcg
Day41 Clen 60mcg / T3 25mcg
Day42 Clen 60mcg / T3 25mcg
Benedryl being run week 3 and week 6
Also week 1-6
750ml test cyp EW
100ml trenA EOD
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clen/t3 seems good but your test cyp won't kick in till the 5-6 week so your wasting it by only running it for six weeks
btw, you mean mg and not mL cause i feel sorry for your ass if your injecting 750mL into it twice a week
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lol ya my fault....i have enough cyp and tren to run for 15 weeks would that be better .. run t3 and clen 6 weeks 2 weeks off and maybe another 6 weeks and run cyp and tren 15 weeks . what do u think
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15 is a bit much, how bout this
1-4 dbol 35-40mg/day to kickstart test cyp(spread out throughout the day)
1-12 test cyp 500mg/week(shot twice a week, every 3.5 days)
1-8or10 tren 75mg/eod
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Do you want real help on how to do things the right way? If so, listen to the smack talkers! If not, go git you some dbol and lift some weights, and pretend you know what your talking about.
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Oh i listen to everything, just seems like theres alot of attitude being thrown in with the opinions. ALot of people have and are going to do it imperfectly, but alot of you guys won't help help a guy if he's not willing to do it 100% the right way. It seems to me that guys that aren't quite readym don't have all the right stuff, etc, etc, could still use advice to do it say, 85% correctly. This beats the 16 year old doing a dbol/anadrol50 cycle for 10 weeks with no pct because he gets shouted down here. Thats all im saying.
Where's the love?
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I'm not gonna tell anyone it's ok to do anything wrong. Your dad would never tell you the wrong way, and he would yell at you for playing with his power tools before you asked him how to use them, and if you were not ready, he would not let you. would you do it behind his back? probably, but he would not condone it because it could hurt you! Same principal here. We're trying to help, and yes, it's TOUGH LOVE around here!
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"do your research!" "run a search!" Thats what some of you tell these guys. What those searches return are the answers to their questions that other bros were nice and respectful enough to answer with out all the smartass stuff.
"What, you not man enough to pin?"
"If youre can take a needle, your not ready for aas"
"Dbol cycles don't work and if you don't know this, you're not ready for aas"
"You haven't reached your potential and therefore do not deserve to take aas"
"Why don't you add some test?"
"If your training and diet is not 'spot on' you shouldn't use aas"
"You keep none of your gains from dbol cycles"
"dbol gives you nothin but water weight"
"All orals suck, period"
"With dbol you'll pout on 20 pounds, then lose it all in a month"
"Why dont you add some test?"
"etc"
"etc"
Alot of that isn't tough love, its parrroting and bullshit. A grain of truth, sure but the straight dope,, come on. Making people safe seems more important than making sure they understand that you know more than they do, Imho.
OH yeah, and alot of people might be new to this BB thing and not know how to run a search. Ive been there. Just seems a bit harsh.
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sorry about the hijack, im done.
Scammer
Does your nutritionist know that you are on steroids?
Scammer
How is your bodyfat % actually?
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