Test prop soreness/pain cure?

[zartan]

I started taking a benadryl and 200mg ibuprofen after injecting and I don't get any soreness, 0. I saw someone talking about the pain from prop being an allergic reaction and figured it wouldn't hurt. Can anyone else confirm this?

[WEBB]

i dont thinks its allergies...unless you are allergic to the BA...the pain is caused from numerous things...i have prop now that is painles....but it can be caused by the powder, the ba, the bb, the oil, the filtering, the cleanliness, and the injection itslef...try and run it under some hot water in the vial or syringe to help it become less viscous and that should help a bit...also try and rub it in after your shot, like a light tissue massage...

[zartan]

i dont thinks its allergies...unless you are allergic to the BA...the pain is caused from numerous things...i have prop now that is painles....but it can be caused by the powder, the ba, the bb, the oil, the filtering, the cleanliness, and the injection itslef...try and run it under some hot water in the vial or syringe to help it become less viscous and that should help a bit...also try and rub it in after your shot, like a light tissue massage...

Yeah I've been heating the oil, massaging and using a heat pad, but i just started with the benadryl and since I did I haven't gotten sore at all.

[WEBB]

well you could be allergic...i havent heard of anyone, but hey anythings possible right....

[zartan]

seems like lots of people complain of the soreness though, i'm curious if more people that arent lucky enough to have painless test prop like you could benefit from a benadryl

[str8street247]

i take sust which has prop in it and benadryl doesnt help me a bit i find mixing brings down the discomfort a lot i do sust and eq together with no pain

[zartan]

i take sust which has prop in it and benadryl doesnt help me a bit i find mixing brings down the discomfort a lot i do sust and eq together with no pain

Ah so you tried benadryl and no effect. Interesting. I'm actually taking sus right now too. I want to do prop for my next cycle, I dunno if mixing with npp will help or not

[Phate]

i feel a calling all prop users thread coming, i can see it now

CALLING ALL PROP USERS, BENEDRYL HAS NOW BEEN FOUND TO CURE ALL PAIN FROM PROP

then all of a sudden the nations supply of benedryl drops by 50%, lol

[zartan]

i feel a calling all prop users thread coming, i can see it now

CALLING ALL PROP USERS, BENEDRYL HAS NOW BEEN FOUND TO CURE ALL PAIN FROM PROP

then all of a sudden the nations supply of benedryl drops by 50%, lol

Haha yeah, benadryl also mellows you out some, takes care of that roid rage, so its a roid cure all :P. Surely it can't be that simple, it makes a huge difference for me though, gone from charlie horse to no pain!

[Phate]

i dont know, could be your body is getting used to the prop, or just a placebo effect from the benedryl, i'd test it out if i cycled but i don't, maybe we can get some experienced users to test it out since prop is gonna be really popular now since everyone's cutting for summer

[lex57]

do you think it is the ba you are allegrgic to or what?

[NATE0406]

i dont really think that the benedryl has anything to do with it. the IB profen that you are using will do more for prop pain than benedryl. more than likely your muscles are just getting used to the prop.

[str8street247]

my delt still being swoll from my sust only shot says it the prop not an allergic reaction just a angry muscle from a iritating fluid

[zartan]

do you think it is the ba you are allegrgic to or what?

really no clue. just after four-six hours of injecting I was getting a fair amount of soreness/pain/tightness in the injection area, now nothing. And this is 5 weeks into my cycle. I experienced pain every time, although it did lesson from when I first started.

[str8street247]

ib profen is good for a while

[str8street247]

is this your 1st cycle?

[zartan]

i dont really think that the benedryl has anything to do with it. the IB profen that you are using will do more for prop pain than benedryl.

Yeah but I was takin the Ibey before and still getting sore. I will conduct a little experiment and not use the benadryl after next injection on Wednesday.

[zartan]

is this your 1st cycle?

yeah 1st I just finished week 5 and I gained 18lbs so far :P

[str8street247]

i think you might have trained your virgin muscles

[zartan]

i think you might have trained your virgin muscles

could be, I guess I will know for certain after my experiment.

[NATE0406]

yea i think its just vergin muscles. let us know after you next injection??

[zartan]

yea i think its just vergin muscles. let us know after you next injection??

I will post thursday morn after next injection. If anyone else reading this is dealing with some pain from test prop, try a benadryl immediately after next injection. It can cause some drowsiness, but if you don't know that about benadryl you probably don't have any business injecting steroids

[str8street247]

yeee you popped your cherry i cant wait for my cherry to pop until then no more sust only shots im dividing my eq up so i can blend my sust only

[lex57]

well if this your first cycle it is probably a mix of virgin muscle and just the unknown of prop pain. my point of asking you if you thought it was the ba, is that all gear has like 1 or 2 % ba in the mix and very rarely does the ba content have anything to do with pain. reason being if all gear has 1 or 2 % ba content then why would not all gear give everyone pain then? usually it is the concentration of the hormone and/or a short ester that will contribute to the pain. now if some gear has 5 or 6 % ba content then yes this could be a problem, but you have to ask yourself why is it 9 times out of 10 "prop pain" ? i say concentration of gear combined with short ester. then when you add to the mix your situation of virgin muscle into the equation, you have the trifecta.

[zartan]

well if this your first cycle it is probably a mix of virgin muscle and just the unknown of prop pain. my point of asking you if you thought it was the ba, is that all gear has like 1 or 2 % ba in the mix and very rarely does the ba content have anything to do with pain. reason being if all gear has 1 or 2 % ba content then why would not all gear give everyone pain then? usually it is the concentration of the hormone and/or a short ester that will contribute to the pain. now if some gear has 5 or 6 % ba content then yes this could be a problem, but you have to ask yourself why is it 9 times out of 10 "prop pain" ? i say concentration of gear combined with short ester. then when you add to the mix your situation of virgin muscle into the equation, you have the trifecta.

Also this is Sus 300 i'm taking, high concentration so I assume higher lvl of ba. It has 50mg of prop alone

[NATE0406]

Also this is Sus 300 i'm taking, high concentration so I assume higher lvl of ba. It has 50mg of prop alone

IMO concentration has nothing to do with pain.. maybe the short ester has something to do with it. i personally think that "the concentration = pain" is a total myth. if it did then test e or c would hurt a lot more than prop.. i have yet to see anyone prove or any rasionallity to back up that myth..

[NATE0406]

and also concentration has nothing to do with how high the BA content is

[lex57]

IMO concentration has nothing to do with pain.. maybe the short ester has something to do with it. i personally think that "the concentration = pain" is a total myth. if it did then test e or c would hurt a lot more than prop.. i have yet to see anyone prove or any rasionallity to back up that myth..

so if i had test p dosed at 1mg/ml and test p dosed at 150 mg/ml, you think the pain would be exactly the same?

[NATE0406]

so if i had test p dosed at 1mg/ml and test p dosed at 150 mg/ml, you think the pain would be exactly the same?

im not saying that but when ppl come on here and say that test prop dosed at 100mgs/ml hurts worse than test e dosed at 250mgs/ml and say its because of concentration they are full of it. ive seen ppl homebrew test c at 500mgs/ml and it doesnt hurt near as bad as prop dosed at 100mgs/ml. so explain to me how something dosed at 2x the amount of something else can hurt a lot less. my opinion is that it has to do with the ester not concentration. now if there is any proof to back it up then i will take back my statement but i have asked this question before and no one could answer me. all they could say was that it has to do with the ester not the concentration which does make sense.

[lex57]

IMO concentration has nothing to do with pain.. maybe the short ester has something to do with it. i personally think that "the concentration = pain" is a total myth. if it did then test e or c would hurt a lot more than prop.. i have yet to see anyone prove or any rasionallity to back up that myth..

so can you tell me how my rationale can be disproven? if you say it is 100% ester realted and concentration is a myth, then you have to be saying that 1 mg/ml would cause as much pain as 400 or 4000 mg/ml of test p. i am not a scientist so i dont have the ability to give the chemical reactions that will take place related to the esters and hormones. but this i do know concentration has as much to do with it as the ester does. that why i said this in my previous post," usually it is the concentration of the hormone and/or a short ester that will contribute to the pain. " and for that matter why would it be that when people cut their prop with steril oil does the pain subside. are you changing the ester? no, you are cutting the concentration of the hormone in half, if you add 1ml:1ml.............. do you still disagree? i hope not.

[NATE0406]

so can you tell me how my rationale can be disproven? if you say it is 100% ester realted and concentration is a myth, then you have to be saying that 1 mg/ml would cause as much pain as 400 or 4000 mg/ml of test p. i am not a scientist so i dont have the ability to give the chemical reactions that will take place related to the esters and hormones. but this i do know concentration has as much to do with it as the ester does. that why i said this in my previous post," usually it is the concentration of the hormone and/or a short ester that will contribute to the pain. " and for that matter why would it be that when people cut their prop with steril oil does the pain subside. are you changing the ester? no, you are cutting the concentration of the hormone in half, if you add 1ml:1ml.............. do you still disagree? i hope not.

i understand where you are comming from but if concentration has just as much to do with it as ester than theoredically test e dosed at 500mgs/ml would hurt so much more than prop dosed at 100mgs/ml. i know ppl who use prop all the time and at the same concentration as everyone else and they dont feel any pain at all. my opinion is that is all has to do with how your body reacts to the ester. now of corse if you shot somethin that has a concentration of 4000mgs/ml it will hurt like hell. but please explain to me why test e causes hardly any pain at a 2-3x higher concentration than any prop that i have ever seen? really the only diff between prop and enth is the ester. so im wondering if that is the only real noticable diff is the ester than why does test at a higher concentration hurt less than a lower concentration??? its the ester..

[NATE0406]

and also when i suggest to cut your gear i am asumming the BA% is high not the concentration of the gear.

[WEBB]

well if this your first cycle it is probably a mix of virgin muscle and just the unknown of prop pain. my point of asking you if you thought it was the ba, is that all gear has like 1 or 2 % ba in the mix and very rarely does the ba content have anything to do with pain. reason being if all gear has 1 or 2 % ba content then why would not all gear give everyone pain then? usually it is the concentration of the hormone and/or a short ester that will contribute to the pain. now if some gear has 5 or 6 % ba content then yes this could be a problem, but you have to ask yourself why is it 9 times out of 10 "prop pain" ? i say concentration of gear combined with short ester. then when you add to the mix your situation of virgin muscle into the equation, you have the trifecta.

BA content has alot to do with pain actually.

Also this is Sus 300 i'm taking, high concentration so I assume higher lvl of ba. It has 50mg of prop alone

Concentration has a huge factor in pain.

IMO concentration has nothing to do with pain.. maybe the short ester has something to do with it. i personally think that "the concentration = pain" is a total myth. if it did then test e or c would hurt a lot more than prop.. i have yet to see anyone prove or any rasionallity to back up that myth..

concentration has something to do with it.
the short ester does as well.

and also concentration has nothing to do with how high the BA content is

not always true...t400 has sometime a ba content of 3% and this can cause more pain...trust me t400 is one of the worst...becasue of the three things mention, lots of short estered prop, higher ba, and concentration of contents.

[NATE0406]

BA is meant to sterilize. so i dont really see whey the BA% would change becasue of concentration. i was under the impression that no matter the concentration if you have the same amount of oil that the same amount of BA would be added. but i still dont see why concentration would have anything to do with it. even if at a higher concentration you had to add more BA than its not the concentration causing the pain its the BA%.

[WEBB]

people can add more ba for a few reasons...the filters they use arent as good so they ad more to help sterilize...they are paranoid of the germs so they think more is better...they screw up the math....generally 2% is plenty but i usually go with 3% for higher concentrations to help.....

[WEBB]

now its late so my math might be off, but if you add more ba that takes up more room but you have the same amount of compund in the same amount of liquid cause you remove a bit of oil to make room for the new amount of ba, so isnt your concentration actually is the same...