My first real cycle

[sloth9]

I am 26 and weigh in at 230 I am on clen trying to drop weight right now and plan to start a cycle soon, I am mainly looking for strength fast but I also wanna look cut, I dont have to get huge right now but I know I will want it later, any way I want to make sure I can handle working on an oil rig this fall because my financial situation is looking bleek so school may have to sit on the back burner for a bit, I was thinking about test cypionate and I know I am going to do wynstrol. Can I get an Idea of a good cycle or 2 with these or advice on something better and what type of pct should I use. I am still looking for hgh cause I wouldnt mind using that too at one point.

[burnin69]

is this your first cycle? stats?

[burnin69]

and the HGH you need alot of money and time to see results. Thats a long term plan.

[sloth9]

This will be my first cycle ever, I used to cycle on and off of that mickey mouse over the counter shit and well of course we all know about that like I said I weigh around 230 lbs I am 26 and height 6'.2" Body fat I dont know but 25-30% would probably be safe to say and my main lick of fat is in my gut. My arms are really small, chest flabby but you could tell I used to have pecks if you looked hard enough, lol. Well like I said I am doing a small clen cycle trying to get close to 215-210 then the rest should cut in as I bulk. Also like I said I dont wanna just bulk right now I want alot of strenght asap.
I know all this takes time that is why I am starting now this is not an overnight process. I am just not comfortable with my current finance situation so I really need to go work a rig but its been 3-4 years since my last job on one and I let my self go this last year.

Lets recap: need strength (size will come with it but focus on strength)
Want to use winstrol, and possibly test cypionate
not afraid to inject, not doing oral
need advice and/or decent idea of a cycle of both of these anabolics together or seperate which ever is prefered?
I am 26
height-6'2"
weight around 230lbs
bf safe bet 25%-30%
fat is mainly in the gut and flab and fat on my chest
I also need the proper pct info too

I hope this is a little more informative what is going on. Thankyou guys for any advice and already thankyou for the info on hgh I will make a long term goal and something for later

[inky-e]

Your body fat is kinda high to start using gear. Diet along with exercise should get that BF% down some. Maybe after working out for at least a couple of years consistently, then you'll be more suited for steroids. Thats the best advice I can give you right now.

[Nicotine]

^+1

you'd see FAR better results from proper training, proper meal plans, and regular cardio.

if those 3 arn't in check, no amounts of gear will do you any good.......

body fat is fairly high. bring that down before starting an AAS

[sloth9]

I understand you guys are professionals and you know what your doing and thanks for the advice in a little bit I will take a couple of pics of my body no head shot and give you some measurments with tape I work out constaintly and bench 280 all day long, not really all day long but I bench good solid reps of 15 every other day my biggest problem is diet. I am on clen right now and last time I took clen I lost around 40 lbs in about 5 weeks. I know I should wait a while if I wanna get huge but I really wanna push my strength a little further an get beyond 300 benching and build up my biceps more they constantly stay small. I dont wanna be rude act like that isnt what I wanna hear so I am going to go to the doctor that will take my money and say beyond my best interest, what I wanna hear. But I am just in a situation where I am getting uncomfortable and I will be flat broke by october if I continue to go to school. See a little backstory so you see where I am coming from I used to be a retail manager and I have bee making around $50,000 a year along with my wife we made 70-80 thousand every year for about 4 years, well I got laid off 2 years ago from circuit shitty and decided to go to school again cause around here it hell finding a 50,000 job without a degree. I own a house on an acre and have a huge ass snap on tool bill, I hustle car parts and paint, cars and houses in my spare time but that is not enough for us any more especially with gas creeping up even more. I am almost through my savings and well I am just getting really uncomfortable. I like having money in the bank (hell doesnt everyone) I also have a son that is starting little league and well not to mention my cars are on there last leg before I have to do some major overhauls on them. I am not giving a sob story to make any one feel bad for me or say ah poor baby! I may be just being silly thinking that is my only option but truthfully my 3 option I know of is
1. oil rigging
2. mill riting
3. being a contracter in Iraq

1 and 2 require short periods of being away from the family and are not quite as dangerous but they require strength and plenty of stamina

3 is dangerous and easy but I have stay gone for a year

I am lucky cause I have family in all three jobs so I can definately get a job with either I also have experience in the first 2 and the first 2 seem safer and more attainable I feel I can handle the jobs as is but I just want to have that extra push to go further so I can overachieve and impress to make the most money possible. Any way I may be being rediculous and it may just be psychological and I really dont need anything but it will make me feel alot better like a placebo does to people who are hyochondriacs.


I will get some measurements and pics asap

[sloth9]

ok weighed myself I am at 225lbs I just ate about 30 mins ago some eggs and bannanas

dimensions all in inches
Chest (measured around chest and back under my arms) 46
arms 15
Waist 40
middle of stomach (fattest part) 43
legs 22
shoulders 55


put on your shades your gonna need them I am as white as a ghost!











I hope these help and do a little justice, I am also not flexing or sucking in that is fully relaxed, I am married and have a son I have nothing to prove and no shame.

I may be wrong on the body fat any way I am sorry for being such a nooband thankyou guys.

[sloth9]

^+1

you'd see FAR better results from proper training, proper meal plans, and regular cardio.

if those 3 arn't in check, no amounts of gear will do you any good.......

body fat is fairly high. bring that down before starting an AAS

yeah man that is the way I wanna look one day

[TJM7275]

Way to much Bodyfat for gear brother. The best thing you can do, and i know you dont wanna hear is diet and train. Steroids are not magic bro and dont burn fat quite like everyone thinks. Winny incase your pondering is not a shreader either. Get a strict diet and hit the cardio hard, best advice you can get. Good Luck

[Reed]

Hey man wait. There are no short term plans for being in shape. You gotta make a lifestyle of it. You'll benefit in the long run. For you proper training and nutrition will be the key. Do that for a couple of years then run a cycle. At 26 time is still on your side.

[burnin69]

keep cycling the clen and run a strict diet. Theres lots of good info in the diet threads.

[burnin69]

Mabye change your workout if your not gaining on your lifts.

[inky-e]

Hey Bro theres no need to apologize for being a newb. At least you didn't
"jump into the "dark side" first then came here to tell us about some oral only cycle that a friend got you on! You asked, we respond to the best of our ability and then you ultimately decide what to do. There's no shame in asking questions.

[Bulldog1115]

stay on and off the clen for alittle while, and go on a hardcore diet, if u did any type of gear now u wood prob get fatter kus obv u don't know or understand diet! not trying to burn ya brother.

[DSM4Life]

I am 26 and weigh in at 230 I am on clen trying to drop weight right now and plan to start a cycle soon, I am mainly looking for strength fast but I also wanna look cut, I dont have to get huge right now but I know I will want it later, any way I want to make sure I can handle working on an oil rig this fall because my financial situation is looking bleek so school may have to sit on the back burner for a bit, I was thinking about test cypionate and I know I am going to do wynstrol. Can I get an Idea of a good cycle or 2 with these or advice on something better and what type of pct should I use. I am still looking for hgh cause I wouldnt mind using that too at one point.

Honest opinion, you are no where near ready for a cycle. Get your diet/workout routine in check before you even look into a cycle.


Working on an oil rig huh ? You see that new show called Blackgold ? haha.

[sloth9]

no never heard of the show any way its just quick money like I said I have family in the field so its easy for me to get a job but I am still leaningtowards the shut down crews for the power company I was milriting for a year I made 85,000 doing that I was just away from home for all but 2 months but it was way easier than working on a rig.
QUOTE=DSM4Life;4051409]Honest opinion, you are no where near ready for a cycle. Get your diet/workout routine in check before you even look into a cycle.

You know what I appreciate everyones input so far, yeah I didntwant to hear that but you know what its better to hear it first then get fat again, it would be a damn waste of time and money this weight that I have on me is from my legal gear or LG sciences mickey mouse shit last year. I didnt cut first and so I gained alot of strength and size but it was fatty watery stuff not really hard my biceps where 19 inches my chest was 51 inches and well I then weighed 250-259 depending on the diet. You guys are right I am lacking big time in the diet department and I am going to work on that and we wil see what clen does for me this time on a good diet. Like I said I wasnt going to start it for at least 6 weeks cause of my clen cycle but I will see what happens first and then ask yall whether or not I am ready yet. Now I wann be as careful as possible but do you guys still think that test cypionate and wyn will go good together cause I wannago ahead and start picking up my gear here and there so I can save it for the cycle. Also I am getting reall interested in the lab stuff and if I can find a source for powdered wynstrol I may play with that some too. I really do appreciate the help cause I was going to do it quick but now I can save some money and just get a little here and there.


Working on an oil rig huh ? You see that new show called Blackgold ? haha.[/QUOTE]

[sloth9]

stay on and off the clen for alittle while, and go on a hardcore diet, if u did any type of gear now u wood prob get fatter kus obv u don't know or understand diet! not trying to burn ya brother.

No offense taken I appreciate the info and the honesty I plan to be down to 200 in a month its gonna be hard but I am going really strict on my diet I cant do this any more, my biggest problem was eating out though, see I ate big portions every lunch and dinner well it cost almost as much to eat at the houseas to eat fast food so we ate out all the time well now look at me. Also the other thing that hurt was that damn lg sciences supplements they do work pretty good, I mean I have never used roids so its probably not even scraping the suface but they worked good to me, but because I didnt cut first I gained alot of watery bulk. I started it weighing around 218 and well went up real quick but it wasnt worth it cause I m still trying to get the weight off. the only good thing aboutit was I didnt lose much of my strength. Any way I am very thankful for this board and you guys honesty and input thankyou again.