can you figure This one out??

[ACE5HIGH]

I thought Id be slick by saving some $ and buying raw powers in bulk to create my own Pre workout mix (I have another thread on this).

Heres what I got:

l-Arginine
DiArginine Malate Powder
Arginine Ethyl Ester Powder
Citrulline Malate Powder
L-Glutamine Powder
Creatine Ethyl Ester HCl
Caffeine Anhydrous
Beta-Alanine


After experimenting with a few combinations, I am going NUTs trying to figure out what is causing me some of the worst stomach problems Ive EVER had! Last time I was this tore up was when I tried using "Super Dump 250" ... cant even get away from the bathroom for more then an hour or two. I just dont get it




These are some of the more popular "main ingredients " in most stuff Ive taken and other then the super dump Ive NEVER had a problem like this...
Ive been going very conservitivly on the ingredients hoping to figure out what the prob is, and unless the powders I bought are seriously "overdosed" then It cant be that Im taking too much Arginine...



Ive tried: leaving out all but one Arginine powder at only 1g, leaving out any Creatine, leaving out the Glutamine then the Caffeine...
The only two thing I havent really left out entirly were the Citrulline and Beta alanine, but cut thier dose to around 500mg and it didnt help.


Does anyone know of any known issues with any of these products alone or when mixed together? anyone ever have a similar problem?? PLEASE HELP!

[Reed]

Do these cramps and pains only come after you take your mixture or is it all day long. Could be something unrelated. I for one do 5 g AAKG, 2 g of beta, 3 g of kre alk, and 200 mg of caffeine. Never had any problems and it works pretty well for me. I do notice when I do take products like Super dump and I'm about to explode that I cramp and blow the bathroom stalls up before I get to working out.

[ACE5HIGH]

Well... it is pretty much all day long but the idea was to supplement at least twice a day with most of these: at least the beta alanine, creatine and some form of Arginie...

Ive read that too much arginine will cause this prob, but Ive taken full doses of nitrix three times a day b4 without a single prob which is a much higher dose then the 1 or 2 grams Im taking now...

Im starting to think I should have just gotten the AAKG... do you use raw powders of these your self?

[Reed]

The AAKG is powdered form. The kre and beta is in pill form from sci fit and the caff is from pro lab. Thinking about getting the kre and beta in powdered form.

What are the exact problems with your stomach if don't mind me asking? My buddy who takes the super dump and stuff also has stomach issues but it is totally unrelated to the supplements. Any type of thing could be causing you these problems. Possibly IBS which can be caused by stress. If your constipated you might want to add a fiber supplement into your diet and intake more water. I know since I eat 8 x a day for me if I don't drink enough water I'll get "backed up". If it is a serious issue for you, you might what to see a doc.

[ACE5HIGH]

The AAKG is powdered form. The kre and beta is in pill form from sci fit and the caff is from pro lab. Thinking about getting the kre and beta in powdered form.

What are the exact problems with your stomach if don't mind me asking? My buddy who takes the super dump and stuff also has stomach issues but it is totally unrelated to the supplements. Any type of thing could be causing you these problems. Possibly IBS which can be caused by stress. If your constipated you might want to add a fiber supplement into your diet and intake more water. I know since I eat 8 x a day for me if I don't drink enough water I'll get "backed up". If it is a serious issue for you, you might what to see a doc.

Well, I see where your coming from... But, know my body and whats "normal" for me anyway. like I say I am and have always been perfectly normal Until I take my mixture. Closest thig I can compare it to was when I was taking super pump 250. Symptoms are real simple Me + my own mix = explosive diarrhea for 3 hours... Me + any normal preworkout supp = perfectly fine (except super pump) hence the nick name "superdump".

Today I droped mixing the gultimine with L-arginine and was fine... Ill try again tomorrow and see how it works...

[Reed]

Yeah I guess play around with it. I know what your saying with the superdump products. Maybe its just so many things at once your stomach doesn't agree with it. It does say on the labels of the products that that might be a side effect. I noticed a difference when I took one scoop of no explode that I didn't get any problems but two scoops I did. Are you taking much more than usual?