cant get rid of this gyno

[G-Force]

ok i been on tren/test/masteron for like 6 weeks now
with Dbol 4 weeks at the start

got a bit of gyno in right nip

been taking 5mg Letro, 50mg proviron ED for last 2 weeks and it is still the same size

i am taking 600mg masteron EW i thought this prevented gyno in itself

anyway i am getting worried..

first time using letro - is there a chance if u use too much it can have opposite effect?

[jstraw428]

that is a very high dosage of letro,,,,,,,,you will have no sex drive in no time.......letro is the very best drug for getting rid or reversing the signs/syptoms of gyno.........it takes a very long time to build up a stable level in your blood.......i have read somewhere it takes 30 to 60 days to get fully into your system and begin working.......keep up the treatment, and let us know how it goes

[james21]

holy shit 5mg letro as jstraw said it takes a long time to start "working"

[C_Bino]

You do not need letro that high thats for sure. I would run it around 1mg per day and see how it goes. It just takes some time thats all.

You are going about it the wrong way. Its like taking 2 advil and 5min later saying your headache is still there so taking 5 more.

Just have patience and DROP the dose down.

[jstraw428]

I Love Letro!!!!!!

[G-Force]

ah ok - glad i asked about that before i exhausted all my supply of letro

thanks guys

[ACpower]

im on letro right now and following c binos letro chart just got up to 2.5mg and going to saty here still gyno symptoms are gone

[jstraw428]

glad we could help......

[ngreen23]

im on letro right now and following c binos letro chart just got up to 2.5mg and going to saty here still gyno symptoms are gone

hey were can I find this chart..and I was also wondering if anyone here knew if after letro treatment if your estrogen levels stay down or if they go back up high again. I thought I read somewhere on here that after taking the letro your estrogen levels sky rocket which really doesn't make any sence but was just curios on if it does what to do. I'm trying to get rid of a little gyno and bloat from cycling test for 2 years.

[G-Force]

one other question

i hear it is bad to take nolva at the same time as letro
is this true and if so how come?

[jstraw428]

nolva decrease the levels of letro in your blood........plus, if you are on letro,, you should not need any other AI or SERM......

[ChuckLee]

Plus you are on tren, a 19nor, it means that nolva in conjunction with it could worsen your gyno issue.

CL

[jstraw428]

i totally forgot he mentioned he was on tren.......yeah that too.....good call CHUCK

[G-Force]

Plus you are on tren, a 19nor, it means that nolva in conjunction with it could worsen your gyno issue.

CL

yea i realise not to take nolva on 19nors

i was just wondering about nolva and letro together on no nors

but that questions been answered anyway so no probs lol

[ChuckLee]

It has been a while since you weren't around G, how it goes mate?

[SL63]

Letro is garbage it kills libido too much, I would suggest Aromasin or Arimidex combined with 20mg of Nolvadex ED. I found that to shrink gyno down noticeably.

[C_Bino]

Letro is garbage it kills libido too much, I would suggest Aromasin or Arimidex combined with 20mg of Nolvadex ED. I found that to shrink gyno down noticeably.

Letro is a stronger AI than both aromasin and arimidex hands down. Its kills libido, ya and also kills gyno. Take your pick.

[jstraw428]

I will say it again......LETRO ROCKS!!!!!!! especially when preping for a show.....nothing can give you that bone dry look like letro.......

[jstraw428]

I personally run letro at .5mg ed until it is completely gone....

[Ashop]

yea i realise not to take nolva on 19nors

i was just wondering about nolva and letro together on no nors

but that questions been answered anyway so no probs lol

You may be have progesterone related problems. Try some BROMOCRIPTINE or DOSTINEX.

[C_Bino]

You may be have progesterone related problems. Try some BROMOCRIPTINE or DOSTINEX.

I kinda doubt it if he is running 5mg letro ed. How bout some tiger baum for hsi joints tho lol.

[F8L Bite svt]

Once gyno is there it is very hard to get rid of it and you may be stuck with it. I have had it since I was 18. I went to see a specialist last week and he said once out of puberty if it is still there or you get it from AAS's then you are likely stuck with it. He said nolva can get shrink it oover time but we are talking like a year or longer with the people he treated. I am looking at my only alternative right now which is Surgery. SUcks but that is what has to happen. If you decide to go get it removed go to a plastic surgeon that specializes in male breast reduction. I found one of the best in the world in bev Hills.

[ToddK]

Plus you are on tren, a 19nor, it means that nolva in conjunction with it could worsen your gyno issue.

CL

I have had gyno issues before so I just switched to sust as I read it causes much less problems with gyno than other tests.? is this true? and I can take nolva with sust right? at 50mg/day?
cheers

[G-Force]

Once gyno is there it is very hard to get rid of it and you may be stuck with it. I have had it since I was 18. I went to see a specialist last week and he said once out of puberty if it is still there or you get it from AAS's then you are likely stuck with it. He said nolva can get shrink it oover time but we are talking like a year or longer with the people he treated. I am looking at my only alternative right now which is Surgery. SUcks but that is what has to happen. If you decide to go get it removed go to a plastic surgeon that specializes in male breast reduction. I found one of the best in the world in bev Hills.

christ
i am praying none of this is true......

[C_Bino]

Once gyno is there it is very hard to get rid of it and you may be stuck with it. I have had it since I was 18. I went to see a specialist last week and he said once out of puberty if it is still there or you get it from AAS's then you are likely stuck with it. He said nolva can get shrink it oover time but we are talking like a year or longer with the people he treated. I am looking at my only alternative right now which is Surgery. SUcks but that is what has to happen. If you decide to go get it removed go to a plastic surgeon that specializes in male breast reduction. I found one of the best in the world in bev Hills.

The doc doesnt know what he is talking about. Plain and simple. Just because someone is a doc doesnt mean a hell of a lot. Has he used AAS, has he used SERM's and AI's personally to prevent/treat gyno?

My guess is no.

G Force, gyno is absolutely reversable. I have reversed gyno myself probably 5 times and know at least 50+ people on this board alone who have as well following my guidelines.

[fatherof6]

I personally run letro at .5mg ed until it is completely gone....

is this through your whole cycle and if so will it help with prevent gyno and not hinder gains?

i read ity helps with water retniuon as well. im more concered about gyno and if .5 ed helps prevent it then thats fo rme, all the way through PCT of clomid....ive never been prone but i geting resy for sus12 weeks 500 a week and winni 6-12 2x a week 50 a d and clomid pct along with letro and i dont want to hinder gains but id like to keep gyno away if at possable....

[jstraw428]

if i am going to be doing a heavy cycle, or i am preparing for a contest.....i will run .5mg of letro ed.....this not only combats the estrogen side effects, and keep the gyno at bay, but will also give you a bone dry look.........

[ROBOCOP]

The doc doesnt know what he is talking about. Plain and simple. Just because someone is a doc doesnt mean a hell of a lot. Has he used AAS, has he used SERM's and AI's personally to prevent/treat gyno?

My guess is no.

G Force, gyno is absolutely reversable. I have reversed gyno myself probably 5 times and know at least 50+ people on this board alone who have as well following my guidelines.

Im using CBINOS protocol and i finished my last cycle 4 months ago before I started trying to get rid of the gyno. I tapered up then tapered down, 2 weeks outa my life and gyno has disappeared. Im just taking a 2 week run of nolva to help with the rebound. Im a sceptical b**tard and didnt think for one minute this would work. NOT ALL MEDICAL PRACTITIONERS KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. Gotta say Dr CBINO is the man and you need to at least give this a go.

[F8L Bite svt]

The doc doesnt know what he is talking about. Plain and simple. Just because someone is a doc doesnt mean a hell of a lot. Has he used AAS, has he used SERM's and AI's personally to prevent/treat gyno?

My guess is no.

G Force, gyno is absolutely reversable. I have reversed gyno myself probably 5 times and know at least 50+ people on this board alone who have as well following my guidelines.

I hope you are right. I started on your proto on sat and just reached 2.5mg. My Gyno is bad and I am on IGF-1 and Max tren which people said is a 19 nor precursor. My doctor never mentioned Letro to me, just Tamox Cit. So you are likely right that they know nothing about what is out there. I am not sure how long I will have to be on letro since my gyno is worse then others. I do not think 2 weeks will do it.

[STEROIDMD]

Once gyno is there it is very hard to get rid of it and you may be stuck with it. I have had it since I was 18. I went to see a specialist last week and he said once out of puberty if it is still there or you get it from AAS's then you are likely stuck with it. He said nolva can get shrink it oover time but we are talking like a year or longer with the people he treated. I am looking at my only alternative right now which is Surgery. SUcks but that is what has to happen. If you decide to go get it removed go to a plastic surgeon that specializes in male breast reduction. I found one of the best in the world in bev Hills.

I have had gyno for years from when I started using aas in the mid 90's. I was 18 and didn't even know about anti-e's. I cycled again for 1st time in years recently and been taking clomid/nolva for 3 weeks so far as my pct. Believe it or not I was surprised to find that my nips shrunk down considerably. It seemed like they had lost there elasticity but are much better now. The lumps are still present but visually they're great. I am very happy

[Raw Deal]

Im using CBINOS protocol and i finished my last cycle 4 months ago before I started trying to get rid of the gyno. I tapered up then tapered down, 2 weeks outa my life and gyno has disappeared. Im just taking a 2 week run of nolva to help with the rebound. Im a sceptical b**tard and didnt think for one minute this would work. NOT ALL MEDICAL PRACTITIONERS KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. Gotta say Dr CBINO is the man and you need to at least give this a go.

If i got my Blood levels back to normal, and went to the Doctor complaining og PAINFUL Gyno, can't sleep, shirt hurts me ect....can insurance posibly cover this bro's. Ive heard alot of different shit on this suject !

[fatherof6]

if i am going to be doing a heavy cycle, or i am preparing for a contest.....i will run .5mg of letro ed.....this not only combats the estrogen side effects, and keep the gyno at bay, but will also give you a bone dry look.........

im going to do this man thanks. i have nova comming and i have clomid and lerto on oreder, ill drop the dex ans stick to low letro for keeping dry and gyno down...thanks bro

[40plusnewbie]

Letro is a stronger AI than both aromasin and arimidex hands down. Its kills libido, ya and also kills gyno. Take your pick.

Is there anything that can be done to try to keep your libido at least semi functional? My wife and I are trying to get pregnant but if you saw a pic of my gyno you would probably cry, it's bad.

I'm not gonna take test as I don't want to mess with my fertility.

What about something like 3-4 grams of 50x concentrate of tongkat ali daily and viagra? Any other suggestions from you or anyone else much apprecated. I'm overdue to take a run at this gyno i've had for many years.

[Broozer]

I had some tenderness around my right nipple and started taking letro, within a week the tenderness was gone and the lump wasnt nearly as bad as it was. The shit works!!

[oak2429]

i have liquid letro. its a 30ml bottle with 2.5mg per 1 ml. how should i take this to reverse gyno?

[jstraw428]

just read c binos post on gyno reversal, but there are many ways you can run it.....Just remember that letro takes a long time to reach stable blood levels......And the whole reversal time could be a long drawn out process......i always run 2.5mg for the first week, then drop to 1.25mg for the next two weeks, then i run .5mg until the gyno is completely gone.....

[RapaciousShark]

If i got my Blood levels back to normal, and went to the Doctor complaining og PAINFUL Gyno, can't sleep, shirt hurts me ect....can insurance posibly cover this bro's. Ive heard alot of different shit on this suject !

depends on the insurance, but yes it's possible. You need to:

1: get your blood back to normal
2: complain about pain and act clueless while your GP "investigates" the etiology of your gyno.
3: find a board certified surgeon who is on your provider list, go to him/her with the complaint. He/She will take a pic, ask for prior test results and documentation, and send it all in a request to your insurance for coverage of the procedure. It should take a month to hear back.

Problems you may run in to:

1: Your insurance will deny coverage on the grounds that you have not waited 6 months to one year to see if it will spontaneously resolve.
2: They will deny coverage on the grounds that you have not tried or been prescribed pain medications to manage the problem. In this case you'll need documented proof that it does not react to pain medications. Your GP can take care of this by simply writing "patient was advised to try [such and such] OTC pain medication(s) with no results]" in the initial report.
3: They will deny coverage when they see the surgeon's pic of you and know that you don't have C cups like those other poor kids who really do need this procedure. The more inconspicuous your gyno is, the less your insurance co. will be inclined to cover it. Also, if they see some jacked freak they're gonna know why you got the tits, so most of us should just forget the photo part.

[LATS60]

christ
i am praying none of this is true......

Of course, clinically it is true, no amount of serms/AI's will get rid of your gyno, thats a job for lipo or excision, just seems that some ppl are talking about it got rid of their gyno symptoms.