Under 25 years old and thinking of juice read.....

[bbuilder]

Here's a link to some great information regarding kids under the age of 25 wanting to do gear.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=15197

Since there are so many kids wanting to juice you should all read this first before even thinking about doing gear.

I did have to laugh at one member here trying to come up with the excuse that "some people advance faster then others".

LOL!!!!!!!

[JiGGaMaN]

?? Some people do advance a significant amount faster than others.

[bbuilder]

Yes, I agree some do, but that doesn't mean if you are 19, you are advancing to the point of being able to use juice, because you feel you are "advancing faster".

That's just a pure idiotic statement.

[JiGGaMaN]

Well, I dont know if i completely agree with you. Some people by 19 have been working out 5 years already...

[bbuilder]

If they have been working out for 10 years it DOESN'T MATTER.

READ the article......

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=15197

[JiGGaMaN]

I did. the guy confused cortisone with cortisol, so i decided he didnt know what he was talking about.

[mxnick76]

I did. the guy confused cortisone with cortisol, so i decided he didnt know what he was talking about.

ha ha you caught that too. the rest of the article was a writeoff after that point.

[RapaciousShark]

so poorly written I couldn't read past the second paragraph. It's hard to focus on the message with the noise of improper punctuation and fat, awkward sentences.

[joiningthedarkside]

ok heres my theary and im prob wrong, but if your test levels are so high by 19 20 and 21 wouldn't you be able to bounce back after a cycle since your test levels are so high. just a theary i know im going to get sh!t for this

[bbuilder]

These BIG articles are tough to read for some people that have a short attention span.

Here's a shortened version.

If you are under 25 don't juice because you haven't reached your bodies full potential, and can reach it via diet, and training.

Pretty simple to understand huh?

[JiGGaMaN]

ok heres my theary and im prob wrong, but if your test levels are so high by 19 20 and 21 wouldn't you be able to bounce back after a cycle since your test levels are so high. just a theary i know im going to get sh!t for this

Well, its not that they are high at that age, they are at the highest they will be. Whether thats 80nmol/dl or 1,500nmol/dl depends on the individual. I think the message was dont mess up your endocrine while your young, do it while you're older? I don't know if that makes any sense to me. Effects are too subjective to generalize when it comes to anabolics, thats my main beef.

[RuhlFreak55]

meh....i'll be on hrt if i have to......gotta get huge mutha****a

[WARMachine]

^^^ i hear that...

Seriously though, probably...

[0tolerance]

I did have to laugh at one member here trying to come up with the excuse that "some people advance faster then others".

LOL!!!!!!!

that would be you mocking me...
and in my defence..
ive had hair in all the right areas since the age of 10 and ive been shaving properly since i was 14.. and not like half the kids that call shaving their chin fluff shaving.

Im 5ft 11 200+ pounds with around 12% body fat and i started at 120 pounds and probably 15% body fat.
ive been weight lifting since i was 12 and seriously on and off for the last 3 years.
this isnt a very significant example..

but i know a guy who i met when i was about 14 and i thought he was a parent or a supervisor at this church get together, he dead set looked 30.
he was 13 6ft 4 and probably 200 pounds.
i still see him around..

And Bbuilder..
what age did you first do steroids at?

[bbuilder]

So what's your point?

You know more then one kid that's an idiot taking juice?

You still don't get it do you?

Maybe when you GROW UP you'll get it, sad thing is it will be too late.

[DSM4Life]

So what's your point?

You know more then one kid that's an idiot taking juice?

You still don't get it do you?

Maybe when you GROW UP you'll get it, sad thing is it will be too late.

[Mulciber]

looks like i could post this on a daily basis around here..

Anabolic steroids promote strength gain, muscle synthesis, and increased metabolic capacity. Their responsible, moderate use improves athletic performance, cosmetic appearance, and perceived social opportunity and self-esteem. However, anabolics achieve their effects by perturbing the human endocrine system, a complex feedback mechanism of glands and organs that are, in healthy and youthful persons, in an exquisite state of natural balance. Compounds like anabolic steroids that alter this balance are appropriate for use only by mature, well-trained athletes who understand these drugs, their risks and their benefits. Except in the case of prospective users of clear promise for national or international ranking in a sport, realistically hopeful for the kinds of benefits such ranking confers, the following should be characteristic of anyone, of any age, prior to the addition of anabolic steroids to a training regime:


1. PHYSICAL MATURITY. Anabolics can, through either direct or indirect effects, cause premature closure of the epiphyseal plates (growth plates) at the end of bone, an irreversible effect that may result in permanently shorter stature than the athlete would otherwise achieve. Therefore, the athlete should have reached full physical stature and maturity of the skeleton before contemplating anabolic use. In most cases, full stature is not reached until the very late teens and, in many cases, development of both long skeletal bones and joint assemblies (hips and shoulders) continues into the early 20's, development of the larynx (voice box) into the mid-20's


2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.


3. THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE. Anabolics are not a substitute for proper technique or applied knowledge of the basics of exercise physiology. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have a very thorough and detailed knowledge of lifting technique, dietary practice, recuperative processes, and hormonal and nonhormonal supplementation, and should if possible prepare for the use of anabolics under the guidance of a trusted mentor who has mastered these issues. In particular, the athlete should have an excellent understanding of the uses, effects, and risk profiles of anabolics, and should be thoroughly conversant with the kinds of ancillary agents that minimize side-effects and speed post-cycle recovery. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in the pace at which this knowledge is acquired, at least a year of arduous study and reading is necessary to understand anabolics and post-cycle recovery, and at least 4 years of practice is required to establish the requisite knowledge base of lifting technique, recuperation, and diet.


4. PSYCHOLOGICAL MATURITY. Anabolic steroids can have marked effect on mood and disposition, either during the cycle of active use, or its aftermath. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have the psychological health and maturity that will enable him or her to use anabolics with minimal social, psychological, and legal risk to both him/herself and his/her network of partners and collaborators. In addition, the athlete should be firm enough in purpose and balanced enough in approach to understand not only how and when to initiate use of anabolics, but how and when to curtail or abandon use safely should that need arise.


The use of anabolic steroids is unwise for persons who have not satisfied these prerequisites, though exceptions may be made in cases of very unusual athletic promise. While not a function of mere calendar age per se, it is unarguable that, on average, the likelihood that these conditions will have been met increases as the age of the prospective anabolic user increases.


For the reasons adduced above, the following statement of consensus opinion is made:

Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation. In most cases, the athlete will have reached the age of 21 before these prerequisites are in place, recognizing that many athletes will not have achieved the necessary experience, physical maturity, and psychic balance until their mid-20's or even later.



There are many side effects, some of which are specific to teen users:

Acne
Possible increase in Male Pattern Baldness
Gynecomastia (bitch tits)
Stunted growth (premature closing of growth plates - not only affects height, but also other long bones such as collar bone)
Natural testosterone production supression (not ideal at such an important time for your endocrine system)
Risk of injury (anabolics normally provide an increase in strength. Muscles react more quickly than tendons. This can be an issue even for veteran lifters - potentially much more of a problem for novice trainers who's form is still likely to be poor)
Possible liver stress with alkylated steroids
Possible sexual dysfunction

[0tolerance]

So what's your point?

You know more then one kid that's an idiot taking juice?

You still don't get it do you?

Maybe when you GROW UP you'll get it, sad thing is it will be too late.

uhh he didnt take juice.
and you never answer my question..(that is if you read my post before i edited.)

maybe if you werent such a narrow minded person.
i wont argue that its not unwise to take steroids at a young age, as much as you think i would. ive been 5ft 11 for the last 2... nearly 3 years.

But i do argue that some people grow very fast in earlier years..
And that even though you think its wrong an X amount of levels for younger people to take steroids.. wouldnt you think that helping them make the right decision about a cycle and not telling them that they are an idiot and that steroids isnt for them and that blah blah blah and then they end up doing some rediculous cycle and ****ing themselves up..

but then again, i think youd laugh and say i told you so...

your just like people that work for the government, they look at an overall group and then label it bad because 55% of them screwed themselves up... and forget to mention that they were either illinformed or not informed at all.

[bbuilder]

uhh he didnt take juice.
and you never answer my question..(that is if you read my post before i edited.)

How could I have read it, if you've edited it?

maybe if you werent such a narrow minded person.
i wont argue that its not unwise to take steroids at a young age, as much as you think i would. ive been 5ft 11 for the last 2... nearly 3 years.

So what?

but then again, i think youd laugh and say i told you so...

HA! Told you so.

your just like people that work for the government, they look at an overall group and then label it bad because 55% of them screwed themselves up... and forget to mention that they were either illinformed or not informed at all.Actually you aren't correct (as usual).

I'm trying to help everyone, even you by educating you. Sure there are those that won't listen to knowledge and will do whatever they want. I honestly wish them the best because they will need it.

As for "growing very fast", what does that have to do with gear? That is the subject we are talking about isn't it, or did you miss something (again)?

The only "help" someone under 25 needs is to get their diet and training right. Gear shouldn't even be considered at that age.

GREAT post mulciber. I made a postings, and for every KID that asks, I'm just going to start posting the link. I doubt they can read it, but at least those that can read, might be helped.