help with first cycle and orals

[pete89]

ive been researching for along time for my first cycle. the plan was that i was going to run test e only as a first cycle. i always said i dont even wanna mess around with orals especially for a first cycle.

anyway due to current living arrangements it would not be a wise idea for me to keep injectables around here and i will proly not have a chance to pin myself on top of everything. i was going to put off my cycle but im not sure when things will be beter off for me to do it.

so i was looking into orals and obviously i dont want to run some bullshit dbol only cycle but yes im looking for a solid cycle i can add size and keep gains.

so ive been looking into non toxic orals and from what i found the most common non toxic orals are andriol and primo. yet from what i read both these absorb poorly and i can expect to gain only about 5 or so lbs. 10 if im lucky.

are there any other non toxics i should look into? i dont want to sound like newb who just wants to pop pills but im trying to put together a solid oral cycle in witch i can keep decent gains and a healthy liver (if thats possible lol).

any help would be great

[one8nine]

living arangements cause youre 18 cause you were born in 89? and you still live with your mom?

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age - 18 maybe 19 - lives with mommy
height
weight
bf%
diet summary/# meals per day
years lifting / workout split
cycle experience
pct/estrogen control knowledge
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)

[JiGGaMaN]

Where are you living that you wont have 3 minutes alone to inject? Prison?

[JiGGaMaN]

I still live with my mom.

[one8nine]

I still live with my mom.

but you inject so its okay. thats like the roomate stage, much past the mommy little boy stage. plus i think youre lying.

[pete89]

living arangements cause youre 18 cause you were born in 89? and you still live with your mom?

stats

age - 18 maybe 19 - lives with mommy
height
weight
bf%
diet summary/# meals per day
years lifting / workout split
cycle experience
pct/estrogen control knowledge
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)

i find it funny how you say i was born in 89. just because i have an 89 in my user name. im not 18. what differnce does it make anyway im asking a question.
as for the the other information. im a competitive bodybuiler, ive been training for almost 5 years. and looking to run my first cycle like i said

[JiGGaMaN]

but you inject so its okay. thats like the roomate stage, much past the mommy little boy stage. plus i think youre lying.

No, I just moved back in last year cuz im broke as a mofo.


You are going to be disappointed with an oral only cycle. Thats why no one advocates it. I recommend figuring out a system where you can figure out a way to inject that can accommodate your needs, whatever that may be. If you are dead set on oral only, i recommend Tbol 8 weeks x 100mg/day.

[one8nine]

i find it funny how you say i was born in 89. just because i have an 89 in my user name. im not 18. what differnce does it make anyway im asking a question.
as for the the other information. im a competitive bodybuiler, ive been training for almost 5 years. and looking to run my first cycle like i said

189 is a weight class- youre 19 then
but as a competative body builder im sure you already know that cycle wont do much injectables are the way to go

[Older lifter]

I have tried Andriol and have to admit that it was very difficult to keep popping the tabs as you need to in the ammounts needed (10 - 15 a day), and even when you do the results mere not great, at times you could feel it and other times nothing.
The gains made were not great and i found myself wondering if i would of made the same gains without it at all.
However it does seem safe for the liver.
Not much help to you but just my experience with what you're thinking of.
injectables are a lot easier

[one8nine]

I have tried Andriol and have to admit that it was very difficult to keep popping the tabs as you need to in the ammounts needed (10 - 15 a day), and even when you do the results mere not great, at times you could feel it and other times nothing.
The gains made were not great and i found myself wondering if i would of made the same gains without it at all.
However it does seem safe for the liver.
Not much help to you but just my experience with what you're thinking of.
injectables are a lot easier

this is a really good post bro thanks

[pete89]

I have tried Andriol and have to admit that it was very difficult to keep popping the tabs as you need to in the ammounts needed (10 - 15 a day), and even when you do the results mere not great, at times you could feel it and other times nothing.
The gains made were not great and i found myself wondering if i would of made the same gains without it at all.
However it does seem safe for the liver.
Not much help to you but just my experience with what you're thinking of.
injectables are a lot easier

yeah from what i hear you need to take them every 2-3 hours. anyone got info on stacking it with oral primo?

[one8nine]

yeah from what i hear you need to take them every 2-3 hours. anyone got info on stacking it with oral primo?

yeah youll spend enough money for 5 cycles ofd test e and get the result of 1/6 of a cycle
at least you can hide them in vitamin bottles from mom

[pete89]

yeah youll spend enough money for 5 cycles ofd test e and get the result of 1/6 of a cycle
at least you can hide them in vitamin bottles from mom

relax

[widowmaker2]

living arangements cause youre 18 cause you were born in 89? and you still live with your mom?

stats

age - 18 maybe 19 - lives with mommy
height
weight
bf%
diet summary/# meals per day
years lifting / workout split
cycle experience
pct/estrogen control knowledge
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)

189 you crack me up!!!

[one8nine]

do you have plans to move out sometime soon?
cause it might just be better to wait. you just graduated highscool right? are you getting a dorm for college?
i bet you have a good hiding place somewhere in your room your mom doesnt check, as long as she doesnt clean your room for you it shouldnt be an issue right?