just a quick one,
Can u take winny with a cycle of test e and dbol?
im thinking of doing:
Weeks 1-10 Test e 500mgs
Weeks 1-4 Dbol 40 mgs
but im not sure if winny can be taken aswell, if so what dosage?
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just a quick one,
Can u take winny with a cycle of test e and dbol?
im thinking of doing:
Weeks 1-10 Test e 500mgs
Weeks 1-4 Dbol 40 mgs
but im not sure if winny can be taken aswell, if so what dosage?
Banned
Why not. throw it in 50mg 8-12
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so take the winny weeks 8-12 at 50mg yea? then at week 13 start pct?
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bump
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are you injecting the winny or is it an oral?
and yes, start pct on week 13...
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oral winny. does it sound like a good cycle for good mass/strength gains whilst keeping b/f down?
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yeah ive done it before...
Is this your first cycle?
btw,
age
height
weight
bf%
diet summary/# meals per day (include how much your food weighs and macros)
years lifting / workout split
cycle experience
pct/estrogen control knowledge
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)
Anabolic Member
what do you expect to get from the winny? gains are not long term and, I have to say it, winny does not burn fat
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yea first cycle.
age: 20
height: 6'
weight: 191
bf%: 16%
diet summary/# meals per day: % meals a day, high protein, medium carbs, low fat
years lifting / workout split: 1 and a half years training although i had 3 mths off half way through.
cycle experience: no previous experiance but done alot of research
pct/estrogen control knowledge: good understanding throught hours fo research
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...): Size and strength but size mainly
Anabolic Member
you will get nothing from this winny. if goal is bulk why even consider?
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16%BF is too high, you would be advised to wait until your % is around 12...
If size is what your looking for, drop the winny, honestly, all it did for me was give me a hard look, i was kinda unimpressed with it, though it was only for 4 weeks and at a low dose.
Mkrulic already said the obvious, winny doesnt burn fat...
Whats your PCT look like?
btw, at %16BF and 190lbs, your diet probably sucks...
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I just cant help myself. should make it a tag lineOriginally Posted by war4BTT
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haha agreed...
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16% is an estimate, will get measured 2moro at the gym
PCT is: Novaldex 20mg
Proviron 50mg
HCG im not sure about
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Ok, good pct... HCG is probably overkill for this cycle... A lil clomid will do just fine...
Are they going to use a caliper? Those electro things are crap...
Banned
dang my boys already locked this thread down
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was wondering where your ass was...
Banned
hand therapy, doin bad barbie, eatin chicken n coleslaw
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living the dream huh?
Vive Memor Leti
You only need test and a good diet.
Banned
yeah right 1/2 the dream im still a cripple ha
ill be fightin in no time though this will be all behind me
then im comin to tear up cali
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lookin forward to it brother!
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thanks for the advice fellas, reppedso hcg will be over kill, Clomid instead yea?
also why only test? was thinking dbol and test for good mass and strength gains on a first cycle? yes no?
Banned
dbol test is fine heres a newb thread on dbol test cycles bro
Beginner Cycle Guide
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742
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thnx again one8nine, your becoming my best source for info! lol
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ive just had another idea, what about Test E and EQ? is that a good bulking combo? ive got the Anabolics book by william lewellyn and it says EQ has very low estrogenic effects. was thinking EQ instead of Dbol? i want mass but want to minimize water retention, any ideas?
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Youd have to run EQ for at least 12 weeks...
I would stick to what you got for this one bro...
Add some more compounds for your next cycle, youll be better off...
Youre gonna get water retention with Test E so...
Its all about your diet and training bro, you should be fine if both are in check...
Also, did you get you BF% checked?
What about me???thnx again one8nine, your becoming my best source for info! lol
Last edited by WARMachine; 09-05-2008 at 11:59 AM.
Banned
its true it has low estrogenic effects
it also has low androgenic effects
low anabolic effects
its pretty much low in every type of effect
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yea you are my joint first source war4BTT
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Haha thanx...
A better diet and cardio...
Or switch to Prop...
Banned
reading this threadyea you are my joint first source war4BTT
estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354229
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hahah aw i cant see if he did his HW if you keep re-assigning the same thing 189!?
Banned
i havent posted that in this thread?
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Whoops...
you posted this... My bad... there is a All You Need To Know About Gyno link in there however... Which covers estrogen control on cycle...
Beginner Cycle Guide
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742
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you said about Test P, this has less water retention yea? not sure how prone i am to gyno but will always have anti-estrogen meds on hand.
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you can bloat on prop if your diet aint right
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which test has the lowest water retention or are they all pretty much the same?
Banned
its EASIER to bloat on prop.
but you can be (a) fully bloated or (b) 0% bloated on either if you (a) suck or (b) are awesome
testosterone propionate vs. testosterone enanthate
test prop-
injected daily
peaks in 4-6 days
pct starts 2 days later
minimal bloat
more potent than test e mg for mg due to ester weight
recommended dosage- 50mg ed (350mg wk)
test enan-
injected 2x week
peaks in 4-6 weeks
pct starts 2 weeks later
noticeable bloat
less potent than test p mg for mg due to ester weight
recommended dosage- 250mg 2x week (500mg wk)
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