Bulking cycle need advise

[Doub1e_J]

This cycle was taken from another member, but is sort of what I was planning.

wk 1-15 test Enanthate @ 600mg/week (twice a week)
wk 1-13 Deca @500mg/wk (shot twice a week)
wk 1-4 T-Bol @ 50mg/day
wk 10-15 Anavar at 80mg/day ( should I carry this instead up to pct?

PCT
clomid 150/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/30/20
HCG starting around mid cycle up to pct.

Anti Progesteronic Drugs
Cabergoline or Bromocriptine (suggestions of which one??)

Anti E
Amiridex .5mg e3d (throughout cycle)

This will be my second cycle. First was 10 wk of cyp. My biggest question comes more around the bulking. I want to add as much quality mass as possible, but not water! I do not consider water to be quality because it will only go away after the cycle. Would you say this is the best dry cycle/ combination that I could achieve while bulking? I eat clean so I do not need to worry bout sodium.

What do you guys think?

[Doub1e_J]

Any input fellas?

[marcus300]

What were your gains like with your first cycle?

[Doub1e_J]

Gained lots of strength, and kept all of it. Gained 12lbs and kept 5-6lbs.

[laduem88]

Gained lots of strength, and kept all of it. Gained 12lbs and kept 5-6lbs.

did you have a pct? keeping about half your gains isnt that good...if its your second cycle why are you using 4 compounds?

[Doub1e_J]

did you have a pct? keeping about half your gains isnt that good...if its your second cycle why are you using 4 compounds?

Using 4 compounds because I want to see a bigger result. Is this to large of a jump? If so what do you think should be cut out?

My pct was clomi and nova for 5 weeks.

[Bossman]

This cycle was taken from another member, but is sort of what I was planning.

wk 1-15 test Enanthate @ 600mg/week (twice a week)
wk 1-13 Deca @500mg/wk (shot twice a week)
wk 1-4 T-Bol @ 50mg/day
wk 10-15 Anavar at 80mg/day ( should I carry this instead up to pct?

PCT
clomid 150/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/30/20
HCG starting around mid cycle up to pct.

Anti Progesteronic Drugs
Cabergoline or Bromocriptine (suggestions of which one??)

Anti E
Amiridex .5mg e3d (throughout cycle)

This will be my second cycle. First was 10 wk of cyp. My biggest question comes more around the bulking. I want to add as much quality mass as possible, but not water! I do not consider water to be quality because it will only go away after the cycle. Would you say this is the best dry cycle/ combination that I could achieve while bulking? I eat clean so I do not need to worry bout sodium.

What do you guys think?

Ive used both bromo and caber. The caber worked wonders for me. Can't say the same for bromo. I dosed at .25mg twice a week.

My current bulking cycle is of Test Prop/NPP and Ive kept the bloat away with the Caber and .5 mg of Adex EOD.

You say that you eat clean, so no worries about sodium. You do take in sodium though, right? Keeping it in check is fine, but you need sodium.

[Doub1e_J]

Any other ideas on this cycle? Bout to put in my order soon.

Also what does sodium do in your diet? I do not intentionally add it to my food but things like bread and other things have small amounts of it.

[Doub1e_J]

Not trying to sound unrealistic. I'm hoping to keep 10lbs after pct. Does that seem possible for 15wks?

[chuckt12345]

yea run your anavar 2 weeks past the enanthate. Should gain alot of weight with that one if you eat enough.

[Dukkit]

only keeping 6 pounds from a cycle is shabby. that means either your pct sucked or diet/training and pct sucked. sorry, not to be harsh.. but its true

also... only gaining 12lbs on a first cycle... refer to above again....

for a second cycle.. thats too many compounds. you soo do not that many. you need your diet and training up to par. the gear wont work if everything else isnt in place.

stick to just test and deca. but first id post up your training split and diet. im sure they can be tweaked to get more gains.

dont worry about sodium, your body will adjust to your intake. and if your eating how a bodybuilder should then your sodium intake is fine.

running your AI during cycle is probably another factor why your gains werent good.
i never run an AI during cycle. i get and keep way better mass and strength gains with out it.
if your not prone to gyno. then dont worry. just keep it on hand in case
if your sooo worried about bloat.. then eat clean. drink lots of water. youll be fine.

and shame on the previous members who posted.... WHAT ARE YOUR STATS... first and foremost!!!

for a second cycle.. you dont even need your test and deca so high. 500 test and 400 deca. that was my second cycle and i gained 19 pounds and kept 14 of it. it depends on you... for how much you gain and keep. not the gear

id run caber with deca. i run caber every 19-nor cycle. and into pct

what dose is your hcg gonna be run at?

the fact that i had to reply to so much of your post... shows me that you need more research under your belt

[mx3]

only keeping 6 pounds from a cycle is shabby. that means either your pct sucked or diet/training and pct sucked. sorry, not to be harsh.. but its true

also... only gaining 12lbs on a first cycle... refer to above again....

for a second cycle.. thats too many compounds. you soo do not that many. you need your diet and training up to par. the gear wont work if everything else isnt in place.

stick to just test and deca. but first id post up your training split and diet. im sure they can be tweaked to get more gains.

dont worry about sodium, your body will adjust to your intake. and if your eating how a bodybuilder should then your sodium intake is fine.

running your AI during cycle is probably another factor why your gains werent good.
i never run an AI during cycle. i get and keep way better mass and strength gains with out it.
if your not prone to gyno. then dont worry. just keep it on hand in case
if your sooo worried about bloat.. then eat clean. drink lots of water. youll be fine.
and shame on the previous members who posted.... WHAT ARE YOUR STATS... first and foremost!!!

for a second cycle.. you dont even need your test and deca so high. 500 test and 400 deca. that was my second cycle and i gained 19 pounds and kept 14 of it. it depends on you... for how much you gain and keep. not the gear

id run caber with deca. i run caber every 19-nor cycle. and into pct

what dose is your hcg gonna be run at?

the fact that i had to reply to so much of your post... shows me that you need more research under your belt

I can't agree with the comment in bold. I never run an ai for gyno purposes until I see signs either I agree that it hurts gains. But he is using it to keep bloat down and for me personally and many other people I know It doesn't matter how clean you eat,long estered test and especially deca will bloat the hell out you and for me adex is a must to keep me from looking like a swollen chipmunk.

[Dukkit]

I can't agree with the comment in bold. I never run an ai for gyno purposes until I see signs either I agree that it hurts gains. But he is using it to keep bloat down and for me personally and many other people I know It doesn't matter how clean you eat,long estered test and especially deca will bloat the hell out you and for me adex is a must to keep me from looking like a swollen chipmunk.

why's everyone so scared of bloat? lol
suck it up. walk it off. and get big son!!!

[Doub1e_J]

why's everyone so scared of bloat? lol
suck it up. walk it off. and get big son!!!

I do not want bloat because it is not true weight gains, or at least ones that I can keep.

I think some of my weight loss from my first cycle was because of a couple of factors.
1) I had some water weight. I was also taking creatine while on the cycle so that would not help.
2) Once I ended my cycle I started using clen because I read it can help with keeping you anabolic. I ran clen for almost a month. I feel I lost some body fat in the process as well as some water. I was not concerned because my strength stayed the same if not it went up slightly. I hope that explains it some what and how some of the weight dropped off.


Thanks for the input guys, I will look at the cycle again and cut out some gear.

[mx3]

This cycle was taken from another member, but is sort of what I was planning.

wk 1-15 test Enanthate @ 600mg/week (twice a week)
wk 1-13 Deca @500mg/wk (shot twice a week)
wk 1-4 T-Bol @ 50mg/day
wk 10-15 Anavar at 80mg/day ( should I carry this instead up to pct?

PCT
clomid 150/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/30/20
HCG starting around mid cycle up to pct.

Anti Progesteronic Drugs
Cabergoline or Bromocriptine (suggestions of which one??)

Anti E
Amiridex .5mg e3d (throughout cycle)

This will be my second cycle. First was 10 wk of cyp. My biggest question comes more around the bulking. I want to add as much quality mass as possible, but not water! I do not consider water to be quality because it will only go away after the cycle. Would you say this is the best dry cycle/ combination that I could achieve while bulking? I eat clean so I do not need to worry bout sodium.

What do you guys think?

Yes there are better choices of compounds to keep bloat down. like test prop, npp, and then I would throw out the tbol and just run var or winni for the last six wks right up to pct and you could cut down the cycle length since they are short esters. Also I would replace the clomid with aromasin, mo. If you would like to keep the compounds you have mentioned then this is my recommendation.
since you haven't run deca before I would run it at 400mg ew that wil be plenty. Get rid of the var, 4 compounds is too many for second cycle imo, and run the tbol for the first 6 wks. Personally I would go for caber its less expensive, and i would run the edex at .25mg eod after a couple wks if you need to up the dose then do it.