low test, high prolactin.

[Jumbo18]

i've done a deca only cycle and i was taking 500mg a week for 10 weeks. i understand it wasn't a good choice after what i went through. i was referred to an endocrinologist by my doctor many months back and he told me just wait for it to naturally recover. i had my last deca shot on september 03, of 2008 and pct was only nolva however didn't do anything.

my stats are currently:
free test: 33.4 pmol/L
total test: 14.3 nmol/L normal range : (8.0 - 38.0 nmol/L)
prolactin: 23 ug/L normal range: ( < 18ug/L )

my prolactin is very high so i went back to my family doctor to get a referral to another endocrinologist. what shall i mention to him? my test levels are still low, i suppose he'll tell me to wait a little longer to notice recovery, however my prolactin levels are very high.

[daem]

Say that you want something to lower prolactin because you read up about what the side effects are from having high levels.

He'll probably prescribe dostinex or bromocriptine if you are lucky...He might be an idiot like most docs and think tamoxifen will do it. Just be knowledgeable and don't act like a jerk and you'll likely get what you need.

[Flex-Appeal]

B6 helps with high prolactin. That's what i use anyways.

[Jumbo18]

what are the main risks of high prolactin in men?

[Jumbo18]

Say that you want something to lower prolactin because you read up about what the side effects are from having high levels.

He'll probably prescribe dostinex or bromocriptine if you are lucky...He might be an idiot like most docs and think tamoxifen will do it. Just be knowledgeable and don't act like a jerk and you'll likely get what you need.

when i mention to him i read up on side effects of having high levels, what are main risks i should mention to him?

[Versuson]

Its really sad how "we" need to educate our doctors about whats right to take. Majority of them aren't educated enough when bringing steroids into the picture. I've been to 3 different endocrines and got the same response ... "get off of everything immediately." Idiots. This country would rather have us play the role of self inflicting "experiment dummies" than know fact from fiction from so called "doctors".

[J-Dogg]

B6 helps with high prolactin. That's what i use anyways.

How about some tits? Prolactin is what triggers production of milk in women.

And Daem, Nova will help. It won't lower your prolactin levels, or inhibit them at all, but it will compete at the receptor site for the prolactin to bond.

Bromo or Camber is your best bet, Bromo gets me REALLY sick after taking it though, I feel like death.

I don't take Deca or Tren anymore, because I just don't feel there is enough research and safe way to control prolactin levels from them. I'd love to belive I can go out to the drug store and get some b6 and recover from a heavy Deca/tren cycle, but I just have a hard time swallowing it.

I'd try the Bromo though, and taking Nova 20mgs a day until your levels come down will help prevent sensitive nips/gyno.

[Deep_Fried]

And Daem, Nova will help. It won't lower your prolactin levels, or inhibit them at all, but it will compete at the receptor site for the prolactin to bond.

Sorry to be blunt, but this statement is an example of how misinformation spreads across the web and propagates ignorance as it is repeated by less than knowledgable people taking it as fact. No offense intended, btw.

Nova is an auto made by Chevy.

Nolva "Nolvadex" aka Tamoxifen, is a SERM. It competatively binds to the E2 receptor limiting E2 action at it's native receptor.

Serms DO NOT bind to the Prolactin Receptor (PRLr).

There is no PRLr antagonist readily available for use in this case. The only thing that can aid in lowering PRL is to increase the Pituitary's exposure to Dopamine or Dopamine agonist (D2 receptor)

You are correct with respect to Cabergoline or Bromocriptine. There are classes of prescription D2 agonists used in the medical field and found as ancilliary RCs and such.

Supplements such as B6, or better yet the active coenzyme form of B6: P5P may help slightly if pyridoxine deficiency is a limiting factor in dopaminegeric processes. P5P does not have the negative impact (neuropathy, etc) that high doses of B6 (Pyradoxine HCL). Also, more Pyridoxine does not necessarily equate to statistically significant dopamine increases.

Another supp that can possibly help is L-Dopa. L-Dopa can cross the Blood Brain Barrier, unlike Dopamine, whereafter L-Dopa is converted (via decarboxylase enzyme) into Dopamine and can take action at the pituitary helping decrease/regulate Prolacin secretion from lactotrophs.

A note on L-Dopa use:

Decarboxylase enzyme is present in peripheral tissues. This means that a percentage of L-Dopa introduced systemically WILL be converted in peripheral tissues into Dopamine which WILL NOT cross the Blood Brain Barrier after conversion. This will lead to increase in systemic Dopamine which can cause significant health/CNS issues (High BP and cardiac issues among others).

In treatment using L-Dopa, it is commonly paired with a decarboxylase inhibitor to allow a higher % of L-Dopa to cross the BBB before conversion to active Dopamine.

Anyhow just some food for thought..

[M302_Imola]

^^^is this your wording and thinking or who can we credit for this info?

[Deep_Fried]

That was just me siting down and typing away at what I knew about the topic based on my own previous research into Dopaminergeric action on Prolactin secretion and what supplemets/drugs affect Dopamine levels or act as a Dopamine Receptor agonists... damn thats a runon sentence for sure, lol

[jamyjamjr]

^^not bad... good post bud

[M302_Imola]

That was just me siting down and typing away at what I knew about the topic based on my own previous research into Dopaminergeric action on Prolactin secretion and what supplemets/drugs affect Dopamine levels or act as a Dopamine Receptor agonists... damn thats a runon sentence for sure, lol

good deal, obviously you know a lot about the subject and it's good to have your knowledge here on the forum.

May I ask what line of work you are in or what are you currently studying?