What point does elevated Estradiol interfere with muscle mass gains?

[meathead320]

Ok, my situation:

Height: 5’9”.

Wieght: 210

Bodyfat: 16%

Age 27.

Permanently on HRT (direct injury to testes a few years ago) PCT is a non-issue, as I just lower the dose.

BloodPressure: 120/68 usually while just at HRT dose, currently 136/75 while on cycle

Cholesterol: 55 HDL and 115 LDL only a month ago. That was very good.

RBC 15.9 last time I donated blood, does not get over 18 so long as I donate every 56 days.

Anyhow,

The goal of the cycle is just to add some mass, and maybe lower the bodyfat just a bit. I really do not care much about the bodyfat. It is cold as heck where I live right now, and no beaches. Right now I am just running about 800mg EW of test cyp for the next 10 weeks. I like to keep it simple.

Now as I understand it, Estradiol is a big part of how testosterone gives gains in strength and size. Meaning a lot of the gains are E2 mediated.

I can tell my E2 is elevated, as I get some puffyness in my left nipple. Not full blown bitch tits, but some soreness and sensativity there. Nothing on the right side at all. The soreness is not so bad I cannot deal with it, and it is very tolerable.

I just use this as a gauge that my E2 levels are still elevated. I know it is not high enough that I am having any difficulty getting an erection.

Suffice to say that I feel fine, and can tolerate the E2 sides easily. My Question is “at what point does elevated Estradiol interfere with muscle mass gains?”

I know it ups SHGB, while at the same time, it seems to prime the cells for testosterone too. My last Blood test showed my E2 elevated on a 20-56 pg/mol scale, mine was 82.

Should I be trying to keep that under 56 with careful dosing of Arimidex?

Or so long as I am ok with the sides would I be better of just leaving it slightly elevated if I am looking to gain some muscle mass?

[JiGGaMaN]

I would say estrogen will not interfere with muscle mass gains. I say this largely because synovex/finaplix are cattle implants: test/estradiol tren/estradiol. I would imagine they had mass in mind when developing them.

[meathead320]

I would say estrogen will not interfere with muscle mass gains. I say this largely because synovex/finaplix are cattle implants: test/estradiol tren/estradiol. I would imagine they had mass in mind when developing them.

Woah! Good point about the synovex. I forgot about that all together.

E2 may cause gyno, but so far as I know it greatly ups IGF-1 levels on its own too. Because I have limited the use of AI's so much my bones and tendons are like concrete and steel cables right now. I get zero joint pain, no aches, it is as if I am on Deca, without the Deca dick.

The nice thing is, since I have a script for test, my insurance will cover gyno surgery if that becomes and issue, and so far it has not.

Maybe part of the bad-rep test only cycles get is due to the over-use of AI's?

In fact aren't a lot of the gains from Deca Estrogen mediated too?

[jimmyinkedup]

yeah cattle implants ..while having a set test or tren / estro ratio ideal for cattle, also strives for marbling in beef ..which is fat. Im sure there is an optimum human ratio ....but im also sure side effects interfere at some point as well.... id imagine the optimum ratio is prob the one we create on our own via aromitization .... but that is speculative on my part. Then as i mentioned of course - enter sides.