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    Starting Anti-Estrogens Before Cycle

    I am starting to gather the gear for my first cycle (Mudman's cycle 3 and PCT recommendations):

    1 – 4 D-bol 40mg ED
    1 – 10 Enan 500mg/wk
    1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
    1 – 12 L-dex .25mg ED

    PCT:
    Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
    Day 2 - 30 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
    Day 31 - 37 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex

    I am very much interested in starting anti-estrogens 2 weeks before cycle start. I don't really see or hear much discussion about starting anti-e's 2 weeks pre-cycle and I am wondering if it is a worthwhile thing to do. Will this dramatically reduce sides and their intensity? Any input on your experience on the differences of doing this/not doing this will be appreciated.

    I am not going to cycle yet (my BF is still high) but I am gathering up my gear for the cycle and I want to estimate how much Clomid, Nolva, and L-dex to get.

    Another question - Will adding D-bol to a cycle as a kickstart blur the effects of the Test E so that I do not know which is giving me an effect or not? Or does stopping the D-Bol at the end of week 4 pretty much negate that because the Test E will have already kicked in (and the D-Bol effects would have leveled off)? I ask this because I want to feel what Test E is like before stacking other injectable compounds (for future cycles - EQ and Tren).

    A little about me:

    Age - 33
    Height - 5'9"
    Weight - 208
    Body fat% - (+/-) 20% (as estimated by other members based on my pictures)
    Diet - Rambo's Cutting Diet (I am still reducing BF %) - 275 to 300g of protein and 100 grams of carbs. My on cycle diet will be a lot like Mike_XXL's lean muscle mass diet but adjusted for my schedule and size.
    years lifting - 4 years power lifting (8 years ago) - a few months bodybuilding

    Pct knowledge - Pretty much learned everything on this forum (Mudman's PCT cycles)

    Goals for cycle - To gain as much lean muscle mass as possible and "gauge" Testosterone's effects on my body to establish a baseline for future cycles (i.e. I will be able to know what Testosterone feels like/sides effects so when I stack other compounds I can discern what is the Test and what is the other compound).

    Past cycle experience - A few ill-advised A-bomb only cycles years ago with light Nolva PCT (4 weeks at 20mg's ED) and messing around with Halo to build up aggression for my power lifts.

    Thanks!

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    you can start the AI early so they have reached thr=erapeutic levels early if not as soon as you begin your ncycle.. personallt im fine just starting it at the same time as my other gear..
    id ditch the 300mg the first day on the clomid.. that day sucks.. 100mg for 30 days or 100mg for 2 weeks then 50mg for 2 more weeks with the 20mg nlovadex ed for 30 days is fine

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    cycle looks fine. test will start kicking during 4th week and it will take it from there. plus you have the whole 6weeks to feel the effects of it.
    personaly, i wouldn't do 300mg clomid the first day just like mamon said.

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    sorry about my spelling errors in the above post. i went out with the lady tonight and im half in the bag...lol

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    does anyone know if taking anti estrogens and anti aromatases inhibt possible gains from test?

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    Thanks for the advice bros. I will kick down the Clomid to 100mg ED for 30 days.

    I think I will start the Nolva at 10mg ED and L-dex .25mg ED 2 weeks before cycle. Since this is going to be my first cycle in years I definitely want to make sure I get the levels up.

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