HCG on cycle

[EghtySx]

Will running HCG on cycle limit gains like running an anti-e does? Im thinking like 100mcg/day of HCG.

[johnnybigguns]

You should check out the search there is some good info on hcg.
What does your cycle look like?

[LATS60]

Will running HCG on cycle limit gains like running an anti-e does? Im thinking like 100mcg/day of HCG.

No it won't, HCG doesn't come in mcg it come in IU's, why are you wanting to run it? and whats your cycle?

[powerliftmike]

Definently do more reading on hcg, in all honesty you sound kind of clueless about it. It comes in IUs, and most people will do 500IU every third day. HCG will not limit any gains but overuse can desensitize the testicles and it is known to raise estrogen levels in the body possibly exacerbating gyno, water retention, etc

[EghtySx]

Actually I have read everything I could find on this site. Sorry for the brain fart. The reason to use it is to keep the HPTA from completely shutting down. Sounds like thats a good way to go and just use some letro in case I notice signs of gyno.

Oh and for the cycle I was just gonna do Testerone Enanthate at 200mg q3d

[Mammon]

once you have signs of gyno think nolvadex is the best choice..
believe an AI should be ran from the beginning.. id go with adex over letro for this

[EghtySx]

once you have signs of gyno think nolvadex is the best choice..
believe an AI should be ran from the beginning.. id go with adex over letro for this

Then read this thread
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=374222

And this one
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

[Mammon]

yeah i have read them.. my opinion differs..
i believe running an AI from the beginning is fine.. i think letro works great but is to strong for this.. altho it may serve a purpose in some regards..
think the gyno reversal deal is BS.. once lumps are formed they are there.. you may be able to shrink them down to where they are not as noticeable but not goung to get rid of it..goal is to stop it when symptoms start before lumps form..
running an AI from the beginning and limiting the conversion of test to estrogen is the way to go imo..
if im not running an AI, and gyno symptoms pop up im not going to start an AI and wait for that to start working while the problem progresses.. im gonna take nolvadex and stop the circulating estrogen from binding to the receptors and eliminate the problem now... hell even if i am running an AI and issues arise its nolvadex im using

[LATS60]

Actually I have read everything I could find on this site. Sorry for the brain fart. The reason to use it is to keep the HPTA from completely shutting down. Sounds like thats a good way to go and just use some letro in case I notice signs of gyno.

Oh and for the cycle I was just gonna do Testerone Enanthate at 200mg q3d

HCG does not and will not stop your HPTA from completely shutting down.
And i would only ever use letro for exsisting gyno.
You are taking a lowish dose of test, a low dose of adex would be much more sensible.

I agree with mammon.

[EghtySx]

And you are very persuasive. The small amt of gains given up is worth the peace of mind anyway, good point. Im not quite ready to start yet so I have time to do more reading/studying.

So far Im thinking something like this:
Weeks 1-12 - Testosterone Enanthate 200mg q3d
Weeks 1-12 - HCG 100iu qd
Weeks 1-18 - A-dex .25 qd
Weeks 14-18 - Clomid therapy*


*Day 1 - 300mg
Day 2-14 - 100mg qd
Day 15-28 - 50mg qd

[LATS60]

Your clomid dose is too high mate, 100/50/50/50 is enough, the 100 in the first wk has been shown in clinical studies to increase LH and FSH by up to 50%, in this case, more is not better.

[EghtySx]

So thats 100 per day for the first week, then 50 a day for three weeks?

[LATS60]

So thats 100 per day for the first week, then 50 a day for three weeks?

Yes mate, personally i'd add nolva at 40/20/20/20 too, but it's up to you.