Second Cycle! Need opinions/ REVIEWS

[honkeyboy2003]

i have done one cycle of testosterone cypionate. and dianabol.

stats = 21yrs 5'10" 190lbs 13%bf



NEW CYCLE


wks 1-4 100mg anadrol daily

wks 1-11 750mg test cyp. weekly

wks 1-11 600mg equipose weekly


pct

wks 10-13 HCG 2000mg every 5 days
wks 12-15 CLOMID 150mg for first 2 weeks then 100mg for last 2 weeks


I was thinking of taking 10mg a day of nolvadex, but i didnt wanna loose any gains. I will have some on hand in case of any gyno problems pop up, or should i just take them anyways throughout the whole entire cycle?

Edited

[T-MOS]

Don't think u can ask about or mention suppliers in open forum. You may want to edit that out.

What was the doses in first cycle?
750 mgs seems a bit high for a second cycle

[bahrianite]

hmmm why use 750 mg of test??i mean 500 is a good base and this is your second cycle so i dont really see a need to up the dose to 750mg.besides that the oxymetholone is a very harsh compound and keep the nolva in hand because oxymetholone usually does lead to a lot of aromatization.

did you get any symptoms of gyno on your first cycle?

[D7M]

I tend to agree, 750mg/wk sounds high.

My brother always wants to up his test dose every cycle. Personally, I keep it around the same amount and still see great results.

[nycteris]

Dosages of anadrol and test seems high to me for a 2nd cycle.

[marcus300]

2nd cycle at 21yrs old and them stats why?
what are you goals?
Do you know what damage you could do to your body at this age?
How long have you been training?
Am I wasting my time even mentioning this to you and your going to do it anyway?

[ni4ni]

Marcus, agree. I hate saying this but I think you are wasting time.
Way toooo young to 4 gear.

[honkeyboy2003]

my goals are to gain as much weight and muscle as possible, while retaining everything i can. This is gunna be my last cycle for a while because i am playing d1 football in the fall. That is why i chose eq instead of deca, cuz of the detection times.

I have been training hard and seriously for 2 years.

and yes i am going to do this cycle no matter what, so i wanna do it as educated and as informed as possible.


my first cycle i only recall my nipples getting a little hard at the end of the cycle. and that was 500mg test cyp. weekly and 30mg dbol daily.

[Big]

I don't like your pct, and with test c you should wait at least 2 weeks after your last shot to start pct, you show it starting the day after your last test shot.

Also I edited your post, please read the rules before you post again. Considering other members warned you and you left the infraction, this will be your only warning from me.

[honkeyboy2003]

i am waiting 10 days after my last test shot to start my clomid pct. if you dunt like my pct, what would you recommend?

i have 10,000iu of hcg. 100 50mg tabs of clomid, and 100 10mg tabs of nolva.

[T-MOS]

i am waiting 10 days after my last test shot to start my clomid pct. if you dunt like my pct, what would you recommend?

i have 10,000iu of hcg. 100 50mg tabs of clomid, and 100 10mg tabs of nolva.

If you're not concerned about doug this correctly, then why bother to come on here and as for advice that you're not going to listen to???

PCT timing for test cyp is 18 days after last injection

[Joker111086]

2nd cycle at 21yrs old and them stats why?
what are you goals?
Do you know what damage you could do to your body at this age?
How long have you been training?
Am I wasting my time even mentioning this to you and your going to do it anyway?

what dmg can u do??? other then the sides listed

[jamyjamjr]

i would cut the anadrol dosage in half... 100mg is too much for first time imo

[honkeyboy2003]

i never asked if you guys thought i should do this cycle or not, or wether my dosages were too hi. you guys took the liberty to not answer the questioned asked and add your 2 cents in areas not needed.

Anadrol @ 100mg/d is standard. It is considered the most effective dosage while still minimizing sides...

Also there is nothing wrong with a 20 year old, versus anyone else, taking roids. Studies prove it, show me otherwise


for those of you who have actually provided useful information, thanx

[RoidBoid]

hmmmm..... i can see alot of help coming up now lol

[honkeyboy2003]

thats fine if some1 wants to offer there opinion, but it goes from an opinion to a flame, when there is no useful information added with it, and none of the questions answered.

[FireGuy]

i never asked if you guys thought i should do this cycle or not, or wether my dosages were too hi. you guys took the liberty to not answer the questioned asked and add your 2 cents in areas not needed.

Anadrol @ 100mg/d is standard. It is considered the most effective dosage while still minimizing sides...

Also there is nothing wrong with a 20 year old, versus anyone else, taking roids. Studies prove it, show me otherwise


for those of you who have actually provided useful information, thanx

Excuse me Mr Know it All but have you bothered to look at the title of this thread which you authored? I believe you are asking for opinions and reviews. If you only want to hear what you want to hear go in a room and talk to yourself.

[sitries]

100mg of anadrol per day is NOT standard!!! its the harshest oral out there. 50mg is 'standard'!

no need to keep upping the doses! 500mg test per week is fine.

Also,i would run nolva at 10mg per day throughout the cycle as i feel that gyno could def be a problem. i know from 1st hand experience. it was on my 2nd cycle that mine started!!

[Big]

i never asked if you guys thought i should do this cycle or not, or wether my dosages were too hi. you guys took the liberty to not answer the questioned asked and add your 2 cents in areas not needed.

Anadrol @ 100mg/d is standard. It is considered the most effective dosage while still minimizing sides...

Also there is nothing wrong with a 20 year old, versus anyone else, taking roids. Studies prove it, show me otherwise


for those of you who have actually provided useful information, thanx

if you like I can change the thread title to read "need opinions as long as you agree with me" or something like that...might minimise confusion.

[honkeyboy2003]

thats fine if some1 wants to offer there opinion, but it goes from an opinion to a flame, when there is no useful information added with it, and none of the questions answered.

post like these are just unnecessary and dumb.

Marcus, agree. I hate saying this but I think you are wasting time.
Way toooo young to 4 gear.

[Big]

yeah you have a point, some posts contribute more than others.

[Joker111086]

Personally i beleive everyones body is different, every1 will not get the same exact results or side effects, but its possible that urs will suck more or not as much as other people. ive read from the site that anything over 600mg test a week wont help anymore and will just be wasting. Ur body gets the most results out of 500-600mg per week and anything more will not help. life is about trial and error sucks that sometimes the errors could be very bad for u later in ur life. This forum is a guide to what ur going to do, u ask they answer and u choose to follow or not. its not always going to be what u want to hear. so good luck on ur cycle

[honkeyboy2003]

i have done one cycle of testosterone cypionate. and dianabol.

stats = 21yrs 5'10" 190lbs 13%bf



NEW CYCLE


wks 1-4 100mg anadrol daily

wks 1-11 750mg test cyp. weekly

wks 1-11 600mg equipose weekly


pct

wks 10-13 HCG 2000mg every 5 days
wks 12-15 CLOMID 150mg for first 2 weeks then 100mg for last 2 weeks


I was thinking of taking 10mg a day of nolvadex, but i didnt wanna loose any gains. I will have some on hand in case of any gyno problems pop up, or should i just take them anyways throughout the whole entire cycle?

Edited

ok new question...

i also have 70 pills of 10mg winstrol. i was thinking of running 30mg a day for 3 weeks at the end of the cycle, or perhaps 50mg daily for 2 weeks. I know it is supposed to be run for longer to be most effective, but it is all i have. so should i run this at the end of the cycle? or maybe wait a few weeks after the cycle is over, then just run it alone. (which i know is not recommended, but its all i have, and i mite as well use it up.)

[T-MOS]

GOOD LUCK with this well thought out cycle.

please post your results and we will try not to tell you that we told you so........

[honkeyboy2003]

well knowing all the gear and pct i have on hand, how would you put together the cycle, for maximum gains. and i am willing to deal with side effects to promote gains???

[Big]

I don't like your pct, and with test c you should wait at least 2 weeks after your last shot to start pct...

i am waiting 10 days after my last test shot to start my clomid pct...

You ignored my last advice, which makes me hesitant to offer more.

Also there is nothing wrong with a 20 year old, versus anyone else, taking roids. Studies prove it, show me otherwise

could you post these studies? I would love to read them.

[Mammon]

oh man.. another one.. ill never get to bed... lol

[ericm6901]

ok new question...

i also have 70 pills of 10mg winstrol. i was thinking of running 30mg a day for 3 weeks at the end of the cycle, or perhaps 50mg daily for 2 weeks. I know it is supposed to be run for longer to be most effective, but it is all i have. so should i run this at the end of the cycle? or maybe wait a few weeks after the cycle is over, then just run it alone. (which i know is not recommended, but its all i have, and i mite as well use it up.)

gees man did u like big boy ur supplier or sumthin? BTW I have no reccomendations i was just wondering why u had all this gear and no plans for it. None of my business but still.

[honkeyboy2003]

i did take your advice about starting pct at least a week after taking test cyp, because you had a very valid point, and i was going to take it too early. so i looked into it, and read anywhere from 1.5 to 2 weeks is fine.

[Big]

i did take your advice about starting pct at least a week after taking test cyp, because you had a very valid point, and i was going to take it too early. so i looked into it, and read anywhere from 1.5 to 2 weeks is fine.

re-read what I wrote...

[honkeyboy2003]

i did have a cycle planned for it(in the very first post), but evidently every1 hated it, so i am rethinking it, to make sure i put together the best cycle possible.

[honkeyboy2003]

you said that i ignored your advice before, but i didnt. because of your advice i read into things further, and came up with what i did. so i thank you for that. and as far as addressing the other part, i have heard it before, and read about it somewhere, which i cant find again, but i also cant find anything proving my point there wrong either

[Big]

you said that i ignored your advice before, but i didnt. because of your advice i read into things further, and came up with what i did. so i thank you for that. and as far as addressing the other part, i have heard it before, and read about it somewhere, which i cant find again, but i also cant find anything proving my point there wrong either

I said at least 2 weeks after last shot. really 18 days would be better, you need to wait for suppressive compounds to clear before starting pct.

[honkeyboy2003]

i guess i was to worried about kickstarting the natural test, thats why i was jumping the gun. but yes what i have come up with, around 2 weeks seems to be the norm.

[RobouteGuilliman]

I'm sorry to say, and I hope I don't make a bad first impression on the Moderators as a FLAMER by saying this, but it is clear by your post that you aren't knowledgeable or mature enough to take on Anabolic Steroids. Based on your posts, I just get this feeling that your the kind of kid who I'll see on the news getting busted for doing something dumb and "Steroids" made you do it, while I'm doing cardio in the morning and I'll end up shaking my head thinking "not another bullshit reason the public will use to villainize Steroids"

[honkeyboy2003]

ya post like robouteguilliman are just annoying and unneccessary. if your gunna point something out and say its crap, at least give a reason why, otherwise ill just assume nothing cuz your point is invalid, and you prob know alot less than me. so if your gunna talk shit(thats fine) at least be knowledgeable enuf to back it up

[Big]

I agree with the others that you shouldn't be doing this cycle, but if you intend to do it, I would recommend clomid/nolva/aromasin for pct. If I use HCG, I use it for the last third of the cycle at 500iu/e5d, not on pct.

[RobouteGuilliman]

ya post like robouteguilliman are just annoying and unneccessary. if your gunna point something out and say its crap, at least give a reason why, otherwise ill just assume nothing cuz your point is invalid, and you prob know alot less than me. so if your gunna talk shit(thats fine) at least be knowledgeable enuf to back it up

Sorry if that offended you, I dont want to get in some pointless grudge match, but here is the deal. Everyone who has posted previously has already said it. But since you insist, I will point out the flaws;

PCT too early

PCT medication quantities too low, you need more gear

750mg Test is too high for second cycle, where are you going to go from there? 1g?

Anadrol is too early. Use Dbol 4-6 weeks @ 25mg daily

"well knowing all the gear and pct i have on hand, how would you put together the cycle, for maximum gains. and i am willing to deal with side effects to promote gains???" - This statement is all wrong

I got to get up at 0330 tomarrow, I cant stay up all night doing this. This should be "enuf to back it up"

[honkeyboy2003]

pct i am starting 14 days after last sho. dbol and epuipose do not stack well together because of the similar chemical structures, thats why i opted for abombs instead. and this is going to be my last cycle for a few years, so i am looking for maximum gains now. and the effective dose of test cyp. is 250-1000 mg/week, so why not use 750mg weekly to PROhibit more gains?

[honkeyboy2003]

I agree with the others that you shouldn't be doing this cycle, but if you intend to do it, I would recommend clomid/nolva/aromasin for pct. If I use HCG, I use it for the last third of the cycle at 500iu/e5d, not on pct.

I thought HCG injections should be started the last week of the cycle and continued for 3-4 weeks, using 1500-3000 IU every 5-6 days. HCG will act as an alternative to LH and start the endogenous testosterone cycle, thereby increasing testicle size once again. Then about 2 weeks after the last shot of testosterone is given, Nolvadex/Clomid cycle should be started. 40 mg of Nolva or 150 mg of Clomid per day for two weeks, followed by two more weeks with either 20 mg of Nolva or 100 mg of Clomid per day should be adequate. And since HCG is suppressive of natural testosterone itself and should be discontinued at least 2 weeks prior to finishing Nolvadex/Clomid.


I thought this was the proper use of HCG during a cycle. Why do you reccommend using during the last part as opposed to during pct?