what to do

[BA$H33]

ay what up im 19 an i play college football and i need some advice on what to take to achieve my goals. im 6'0 210 lbs an i play strong safety. ive taken dbol a few times before this but nothing else. i just finished a dbol cycle bout 2 weeks ago an now i wanna try a winni ycle to try an cutt up a bit more. i have 5 months till training camp and i wnna roll in at about 205 but solid and i run a low 4.5 40 yd dash lazer time now and i would like to run a 4.4. ive heard tbol is good...would that be good to stack with winni or what should i do???????? plz help

[Big]

do you know what pct is?

[JiGGaMaN]

do you know what pct is?

yes. PhenylCypionate Testosterone.

[AnimalGear]

yea man ^^ that, and also what does your diet look like? If you don't get enough calories to build up that frame, enough carbs for more energy, or enough protein to repair after it's done, then you're going to be stuck. These hormones won't themselves make you faster or stronger really. You need put the building blocks there to be built up -- you can't build that house without the wood.

[BA$H33]

ya i eat 5 to 8 times a day depending on my training schedule. and 3 of the meals are a protein shake and each shake has about 1000 calories. i eat primarily chicken and rice but also alot of pasta. what else should i be doing?

[AnimalGear]

ya i eat 5 to 8 times a day depending on my training schedule. and 3 of the meals are a protein shake and each shake has about 1000 calories. i eat primarily chicken and rice but also alot of pasta. what else should i be doing?

Oh Lord.

meal 1: 8 egg whites, two yokes, 80g oats

meal 2: banana, 175g chicken, 1/2cup rice

meal 3: same

meal 4: same (baked potato instad of rice if you like)

meal 5: PWO: shake, 50g whey, maltodextrin and dextrose

meal 6: groud beef

this wa sjust pulled out of my lil ass so it's not exact for you AT ALL but it's vaguely something that should resemble YOUR diet as a fball player.

go to the diet forum and read stickes

[BA$H33]

and do i need a pct after the winni or tbol?

[AnimalGear]

Yes, you need pct after every cycle. and I wouldn't run anything without a base of test e.

you have a LOT more reading to do man or you'll **** yourself up.

[BA$H33]

haha ya i know hence the reason im trynna get some help. an wait u mean like test enenthate? isnt that like the steroid tho...im so confused so i should run test e with my pct? i know im annoying with all my questions but if u could like diagram how many mgs per day an week of the pc that i need to run all this shit that would be amazing cuz i dont wanna die lol

[JiGGaMaN]

I would try tapering off shakes toward whole foods. get into the routine of doing that and then do a cycle, it makes all the difference.

[CHUCKYthentic]

dude 1st of all you are too young to use AAS. 2nd you are using HORRIBLE compounds! you always need test as a base. i dont believe in oral only cycle JMO
do you want erectile dysfunction?
or to to be on TRT for the rest of your life?
well you could be on track for both of these. AAS is not what you need, you need great work ethic and desire

[CHUCKYthentic]

and do you even know what pct is? if so,tell me common compounds it consists of???

[CHUCKYthentic]

haha ya i know hence the reason im trynna get some help. an wait u mean like test enenthate? isnt that like the steroid tho...im so confused so i should run test e with my pct? i know im annoying with all my questions but if u could like diagram how many mgs per day an week of the pc that i need to run all this shit that would be amazing cuz i dont wanna die lol

WHAT??? yes the steroid! isnt that what we re talking here? what kind a dbol have you run? you know it is a steroid right?

[JiGGaMaN]

dude 1st of all you are too young to use AAS. 2nd you are using HORRIBLE compounds! you always need test as a base. i dont believe in oral only cycle JMO
do you want erectile dysfunction?
or to to be on TRT for the rest of your life?
well you could be on track for both of these. AAS is not what you need, you need great work ethic and desire

i would say he might be a good candidate for a cycle. i mean his future career depends on him being better than other dudes who likely are juiced as hell.

[CHUCKYthentic]

but at 19 jiggaman?
No way i totally disagree. at least 21, but i still think thats a bit young. yes i see what u mean about him being a candidate and that might be true but i personally am not gonna recommend it

[Jfew44]

I think if he would run an educated cycle it could be good for him. Note the word in bold.

[Jfew44]

That said, alot of research needs to be done and the diet has to get better.

[T-MOS]

Lots of good info given here...

I am against any 19 year old using steroids, as it is clear your diet is NOT conducive to growth!!

So that needs to be straightened out BEFORE you ever think about doing steroids

PCT (Post Cycle Therapy) is the MOST important part of any cycle. You need to know and understand the DRUGS you are putting inside your body BEFORE you just start taking things that are going to CHANGE the chemical make up of the ONE and ONLY body you have for the rest of your life !!!!

You are 210 and you want to come in at 205 in 5 months?????? hell you don't need steroids, you need the right diet and workouts !! PERIOD

you also need to know that 99% of all steroids are going to SHUT DOWN your natural Testosterone.

Testosterone is the major hormone in men that make them ...well.... MEN and YOU are shutting that down with your dbol only cycle, and your winny only cycle.

Do you realize that ??

you really need to educate yourself here, and we will be glad to help, BUT we will not lay out a diagram and layout everything you need to take, THAT IS YOUR JOB to research and come back to us with YOUR PLAN !!! then we know you understand what you are doing and can do this healthy and safely

GOOD LUCK and Welcome to AR

[BA$H33]

k well...wow....ive been so wrong about almost everything ha. k so i understand the argument about being natural at my age but fact is unfortunately no one is anymore and i only have a limited amount of time to achieve goals an make it to the pros so i really need help...so plz help. i got my diet figured out now. so how should i take this i know i wanna take winni to get faster. so i have test e, winni and tbol available to me right now. should i stack all three or which two should i be using to get faster and more lean? and i have nolva and clomid for pct...

[Mammon]

winny will not make you faster..
would not stack all 3.. if anything it wwould be test only.
but i dont think you have the knowledge necessary to do this safely and responsibly

[BA$H33]

i will gain too much weight off test i think...im off everything right now and im gaining weight. the point of the winni an tbol is to lean down thats why i wanted to take them. and the talk of safety, in my opinion u only live once an i can only be a ball player for so long. i have worked my whole life to achieve that goal to be a pro. so thats why i am asking for help.

[CHUCKYthentic]

you can run low doses of test if you are worried about gaining too much weight, but regardless of that your results will depend on your goals, diet, cardio and weights not the compounds
if you decide to run a cycle id suggest the test e only, you could throw the tbol in for the beginning. forget about the winny. since you re an athlete it will not be good for your joints and you would prob be disappointed with the results. winny is best with low bf%

[JiGGaMaN]

i will gain too much weight off test i think...im off everything right now and im gaining weight. the point of the winni an tbol is to lean down thats why i wanted to take them. and the talk of safety, in my opinion u only live once an i can only be a ball player for so long. i have worked my whole life to achieve that goal to be a pro. so thats why i am asking for help.

i would definitely run all 3, just get some arimidex to keep the water weight down from the test.

[BA$H33]

i am 9 percent body fat and i understand its bad on the joints but from ive heard it drops ur 40yd potentially .1 if its taken right...is that false?

[BA$H33]

so wait how come 1 of u says i should jus run test an the other says run all 3...whats the diff in opinions...my god this stuff is so confusing

[CHUCKYthentic]

ive heard its good for a fat twitch affect on your muscles which could help with speed, but i wouldnt risk it it will dry out your joints

[CHUCKYthentic]

i would definitely run all 3, just get some arimidex to keep the water weight down from the test.

why do you suggest he runs both tbol and winny?

[warchild]

dude 1st of all you are too young to use AAS. 2nd you are using HORRIBLE compounds! you always need test as a base. i dont believe in oral only cycle JMO
do you want erectile dysfunction?
or to to be on TRT for the rest of your life?
well you could be on track for both of these. AAS is not what you need, you need great work ethic and desire

wtf is wrong with being on trt the rest of your life?

[Mammon]

wtf is wrong with being on trt the rest of your life?

wouldnt it be better that at the age of 19 he wasnt..

[CHUCKYthentic]

wtf is wrong with being on trt the rest of your life?

LOL well i dont think that is anyones goal going into AAS use

[BA$H33]

ya i know bout the joints but i have alot of joint therapy stuff that i load up on everyday so im not too worried bout that. but ya should i run all 3....an if so how many mgs of test per week an how long should all this be...i wanna do this right so help me with the cycle info. i also have just bout every product available to me so if there are any better alternatives that u can think of im open to suggestions

[Mammon]

imo.. if your going to do anything with your limited cycle history . it would be test only.
500mg a week.. 10-12 weeks.

[warchild]

LOL well i dont think that is anyones goal going into AAS use

i don't either but thats why ppl pct, and im on trt since 25

[JiGGaMaN]

why do you suggest he runs both tbol and winny?

why not?

[CHUCKYthentic]

i don't either but thats why ppl pct, and im on trt since 25

alright. so what are you suggesting?

[warchild]

nothing for this guys, he need too read up some more...not everyone who cycles ends up on trt but i think trt is great

[CHUCKYthentic]

why not?

well JIG 1st off he has yet to run a solid cycle
so JMO he basically has never ran a real cycle

he should not try to throw 3 compounds into his 1st cycle
next, how about the well being of his liver?
his joints from the winny?

however long he palns to run this cycle we dont know, but lets just say its 12 weeks, you sayin he should run orals the whole time?

granted tbol is considered "mild" on the liver, i dont care who your are, a novice AAS user should never run an oral that long especially when they are unaware of how AAS are going to affect them positively or negatively due to their inexperience

[warchild]

test for 15 weeks is a good first cycle

[CHUCKYthentic]

bro 15 weeks is a little long for a novice AAS user. 12 weeks max first go around

[warchild]

you read too much of what others here have said