Advice on cycle please

[mla]

Hi all. Am new to the forum, but have been reading for a while and am looking to start my first course. I’ve seen many guys come on here and make the mistake of starting the course and then asking questions, so here I am to run things by to make sure I get things right in place before I start.

First of all, I’m 23 years old, and have been weight training for 6 years. I’ve now come to a point where I’m struggling to achieve the gains I want, and have been thinking about steroids for over a year now, and am now looking to start my first course.

I’m 23, 6ft, 216lbs, body fat 15%, and am looking for gains of strength and size of anything from 7lbs - 14lbs.

I have on hand here Sus and Deca as it was given to me, but have read a couple of posts where you more experienced guys advise against it as a first course, and suggest a single ester test such as Test E? Now if this is a big deal, I can scrap the idea of Sust and Deca, and look into getting hold of Test E, as I want to do whats going to be right for me.

My thought was to cycle Sus @ 500mg PW - Mon/Thu (10 weeks) and Deca 200/wk. Would finish the Deca on week 8. Is it advisable to start Deca from the first week or wait till week 2? Also, do you think 10 weeks is ok, or should I go for 12?

As for PCT I was thinking Clomid 100/100/50/50 and Nolva 40/20/20/20 alongside. Would you suggest any different?

I’m slightly concerned about potential gyno as I was a bit chubbier when younger and have a family member who suffered from gyno. So will probably look to get some Letrozole on hand just in case. I’m sure I read somewhere on here someone suggesting running 0.25 - 0.5 of Arimidex twice per week as part of the course if worried about gyno? Please advise if that’s correct and if you’d suggest I do that.

Hopefully you guys can give me a few answers and help me make sure I get this course spot on before I start.

Regards,

MLA

[lord henry]

first off well done on gains you have made natty.

right imo hold off the sust and deca and get a single ester test like you said,save the sust and deca for 2nd cycle ,seems you got it for free you have nothing to lose.

i will plan you a cycle out on what i think would suite you for your 1st cycle.

weeks 1-12 500mgs test e per week (250mgs mon and same thurs)

weeks 14-18 nolva 40/20/20/20

weeks 14-18 clomid 100/50/50/25

forgwt the letro its too stong imo .

adex .25 every other day right upto day before pct.

thats it bud .

you can gain a good 15-20 keepable lbs if your diet-training-pct is all in good order.

[jbm]

Nice at least you researched! Anyways, IMO Better do single ester like test e or test c alone for 12 weeks 500mg a week 250mg every 3.5 days, it's your first cycle keep it simple PCT is ok! sust must be shot eod. deca I think is not for 1st cycle. arimidex is good is ever gyno occurs during cycle.

PCT starts 14 days for test e and test c 18 days after last administration.

Good Luck!

[mla]

I thought you may suggest the Test E. Not a problem then, I'll get hold of some Test E and go on that instead. As you say, can keep hold of the Sus + Deca. Thanks for you course suggestion, much appreciated.

On a final note, was going to ask a question on supplements. Is Creatine, and ZMA advisable whilst on a course? I assume it is fine, but thought I'd run that question by.

[MD22]

Agreed, try and get your hands on some Test E. And just a quick bit of info Sust needs to be injected EOD to achieve the full effects and benefits of the short estered compounds in it. But I agree with lord henrys proposed cycle for you aswell, I'm sure you would see good gains with that.

[lord henry]

save the Creatine, and ZMA for use when your on pct it will help.

[mla]

Someone today suggested to me that in weeks 1 and 12 I should think about doing just 250mgs and then 500mgs for weeks 2 to 11. Based on the info you've provided for others on here I have more faith in you guys so can you just clarify for me that its rubbish and that I should stick to the 500mgs throughout from week 1 - 12?

And cheers Lord Henry, I'll keep off the ZMA and creatine till PCT.

[mla]

Not sure if I can get hold of the Clomid here in England....

[T-MOS]

if you do run Test E for the above suggested cycle, PCT would start 14 days after last injection, that would be the start of week 15, not 14....I am sure that was just a typo

[mla]

if you do run Test E for the above suggested cycle, PCT would start 14 days after last injection, that would be the start of week 15, not 14....I am sure that was just a typo

Yeah, cheers bud, didn't even realise it myself but knew what he meant.

[Matt]

^^ You will get clomid in Britain..

[mla]

Test E, Clomid, and Nolva are fine. The adex my 'source' says he has something called 'Anst'? He says its the same thing, is it? I cant find anything on it.

My 'source' also stated I need to do HCG when I come off aswell as the Nolva and Clomid? Is this correct?

I couldn't really care less what he says to do, I'm listening to you guys on here, he's just a source I'll get my gear from. So if you can give me some feedback on that it'd be appreciated.

[mla]

Please lads, anyone?