Take a look at this for first cycle.

[dazma190]

WEEK
1 15/20mg ed ( Dianabol ) Testosterone
2 15/20mg ed ( Dianabol ) Testosterone
3 15/20mg ed ( Dianabol ) Testosterone
4 15/20mg ed ( Dianabol ) Testosterone
5 Testosterone
6 Testosterone
7 Testosterone
8 Testosterone
9 Testosterone
10 Testosterone
11 Testosterone
12 Testosterone

Will be running Testosterone throughout the 12 weeks (Cypionate or Enanthate) although not realy willing to inject. So is there other alternatives here and how much daily/weekly? My D bol will run just the 4 weeks probably at 20mg ed.

[Mammon]

age/stats/years training

whats the dose on the test

[dazma190]

age 24, height 5ft 11, been training since 20 but started taking it more serious since 22, so say 2 years. weight 162 pounds.

Not sure of test and dose thou? whot you think?

[FireGuy]

If you are not ready to inject are you planning on running androgel instead?

[seriousmass]

height 5ft 11, weight 162 pounds.

I see an issue.

[dazma190]

Well yes that would be an alternative. What you recommend on the dosage thou?

[dazma190]

I see an issue.

Whats the issue?

[FireGuy]

Actually, with your training, diet, bodyweight and experience I would not recommend anything other than food. Unless of course you have had bloodwork done and have naturally low test levels that require supplementation.

[dazma190]

So could a run a 4 week cycle of D bol 20 mg ed with the test?

[dazma190]

sorry i ment to say without the test,

[FireGuy]

At 5'11 and 162 lbs you are insuffecient in diet and/or training. Until you get that part dialed in there is no reason to go the AAS route. I know that's the last thing you want to hear but it's the cold hard truth.

[dazma190]

its no the last thing a want to hear maybe its exactly what i need to hear, cool. ok so need to look into my diet. Would it hurt taking the D bol? By the way helping me out alot here, spoke to many in a couldnt get answers a was looking for.

[seriousmass]

its no the last thing a want to hear maybe its exactly what i need to hear, cool. ok so need to look into my diet. Would it hurt taking the D bol? By the way helping me out alot here, spoke to many in a couldnt get answers a was looking for.

d-bol is still a steroid man.

you don't want to run d-bol on it's own either. IMO it must be run with test.

i'll tell you what, write down everything you eat today / tomorrow, keep a piece of paper / pen in your pocket all day if you have to, (or if you already know exactly what you eat & the macros) and then make a new thread in the diet forum. I'd be glad to go through it, and help set up a quality bulking diet.

[dazma190]

so as well as recording my diet over the next coming days, would it hurt to do the D Bol cycle with test for 4 weeks?

[Mammon]

hold off on the gear......

[FireGuy]

Test needs to be ran much longer than 4 weeks to have any effect, especially if you went the patch route. Do yourself a huge favor and put your D-Bol pills in storage for now. Focus on diet diet diet and training and you will have another quality 25 lbs on your frame in 2 years.

[dazma190]

cool, cool. so i will hold off on the D bol in al just eat in eat. sorry to be an pest by the way but wot would happen if you ran the d bol for 4 weeks without the test?

[Brown Ninja]

You would waste your money