Looks like it IS beginning of gyno!

[Spartan ^]

Over the past couple of days, I have been asking questions about letro adex etc because I was trying to educate myself on AI's on cycle to prevent gyno. Partly because I had been having a slight itch in my right nipple but nothing bad. I chalked it up to paranoia but here is what has happened:

This morning I woke up and the itching is a little worse still not too bad but my nipples, right especially is tender to the touch. left isnt as bad but still a little tender. Thanks to Mammon, Warmachine and some others that have fed me full of info the last couple of days. That being said here is my plan for CRITIQUE:

Istarted this am with 1.25 mg of letro. gonna run eod for a week.
if the symtoms have stopped I am gonna taper the letro off the second week to .625/.25/.25 that week. Also on the first day i drop to .25 letro I am gonna start .25 adex eod for the rest of my cycle. I do not plan to stop my cycle as of yet to see how this goes....Hopefully this halt the symptoms. I have never had sides before so this is all new territory.


Any and ALL advice will be much appreciated.......

[johnnybigguns]

Check out this thread

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

[Mammon]

give it a shot.
personally i would have went with nolvadex.

[Matsuflex78]

Nolva? On a cycle with deca? I just always heard that was a no no. I can use nolva instead. But how would you run it? Something like 20mg ed for a week and start adex then?

[Mammon]

i have no issues with running nolvadex with 19-nors .
far as im concerned progesterone does not cause estrogenic symptoms in the absence of estrogen, it can at worst only aggravate estrogenic symptoms. so as long as you are using nolvadex, ER is blocked in breast tissue so progesterone doesn't cause any problems.
JMO.. highly debated subject.

[Phate]

i have no issues with running nolvadex with 19-nors .
far as im concerned progesterone does not cause estrogenic symptoms in the absence of estrogen, it can at worst only aggravate estrogenic symptoms. so as long as you are using nolvadex, ER is blocked in breast tissue so progesterone doesn't cause any problems.
JMO.. highly debated subject.

agreed, do you have any studies for either side, i'll admit my PCT knowledge is my weak point and i'd like to further it

[Mammon]

yeah have quite a few.. ill dig them up..
have studies going both ways.alot of conflicting information. like to see both sides and make up my own mind..
as im sure you do..

[Phate]

yeah have quite a few.. ill dig them up..
have studies going both ways.alot of conflicting information. like to see both sides and make up my own mind..
as im sure you do..

yep, though until i cycle i won't have a definite opinion, i imagine that certain people will have different reactions to running nolva on cycle then others, lol

[D7M]

i have no issues with running nolvadex with 19-nors .
far as im concerned progesterone does not cause estrogenic symptoms in the absence of estrogen, it can at worst only aggravate estrogenic symptoms. so as long as you are using nolvadex, ER is blocked in breast tissue so progesterone doesn't cause any problems.
JMO.. highly debated subject.

I've read both sides, too.

All I can say is years ago I ran deca/test and got some sensitive nips. I was advised to run nolva, and it worked.

[Mammon]

thats the funny thing.. we have used nolvadex for years .. with deca,tren whatever and it has worked.. worked well.. then a study comes out about nolvadex's ability to aggravate gyno through the PR.. now its tabboo to use nolvadex.. hell its worked all this time..

personally see more issues with deca than tren when it comes to gyno.. have to think when serms or an AI have no effect on gyno when on deca is that deca has been shown to activate estrogen response elements through the AR. in which case neither a serm or ai will work.. this may be the case with all 19-nors.

[Spartan ^]

I was wondering the same thing. Nolva has always worked but evrywhere I turn lately I am hearing its a no no!

I guess I am gonna proceed with the plan i had above. I will keep you guys posted of results.

[J-Dogg]

give it a shot.
personally i would have went with nolvadex.

As normal, I agree with Mammon on gyno/PCT issues.

Nova works best for me. It kicks in fast, and seems to be the most effective.