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I noticed my back getting bad lately during my Prop/Tren cycle and decided to go to doc.
He prescribed me 2 boxes of Accutane.
Should i use it during this cycle or wait till is over?
Should i do it in PCT or start after everything?
I feel the acne will get worse and then will be very limited time window to fix it cause the cycle including PCT will end at the end of Spring.
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Personally I would wait until the cycle is finished.
But I have seen some guys say you good to go well on so really its up to you.
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can u tell about the dosages of accutane that doc. prescribed?
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20mg x 2 daily
I have done that kind of dosage before 9 years but out of AAS and had only dry lips as a side effect.
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for how long has doc prescribed accutane? concrete info needed precisely as accutane directly effects ur liver values and AAS are too. Is he adviced u 2 have blood test in every month during accutane usage?
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Be very careful man.. A lot of people commit suicide on it. You have taken it before so you know the drill.. Blood test very month. I personally wouldnt touch a thing while taking it..
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Personally I wouldn't hesitate to use it during cycle, as long as you're not using orals. If you have a healthy liver you should be able to handle it with no problems. But yeah, regular blood work is probably a good idea.
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Originally Posted by subaruwrx04
Come on....I understand your concern but do you really think this medication is the sole reason for someone going nuts and offing themself? Sorry, but I dont buy it one bit. I took this stuff for months and it worked great. Aside from dry skin and a few nosebleeds it was a life saver.
To the original post I would wait until after cycle, run it with pct and you will probably be getting your liver values checked monthly as a requirement with the prescription. If it isnt required I'd recommend you do it for your own health. Recovering your natty test production during pct can produce some dirty acne of its own, so I would say you want the course to go as long after PCT as possible
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For those of you who have taken it... Do you still get acne breakouts?
My friend took Accutane for 6 months (regulated by the doctor) because his acne was terrible (hereditary) and it completely cleared up and he has never had an outbreak again.
I have had a problem with acne during my high school years and the doc had me on Tetracycline on to Doxycycline and then Menocycline - (turned my gums and shins blue). For the most part it controlled my acne but I still get outbreaks.
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I took it for a year and a half.. As to commiting suicide lost a good friend to this medication. So please hold your thoughts. Since you obviously don't know this medication. You have to sign a waiver for god sakes. As to having any breakouts. I have not had a breakout in 8 years. I have had a bump here and there but no more than that. It works great if closely monitored by your doctor.
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I just mentioned that I took this medication.. and I have a hard time believing a doctor would put you on an 18 month course. Waiver are for legal reasons, to protect them from claims. Studies have conflicting reports of direct relation between suicide and accutane. I have had previous friends fall victim to suicide, and with all due respect to them they were weak people that were looking for a way out of their problems. I dont see any difference in people committing suicide on steroids and people doing it on accutane. There has to be an underlying problem there to begin with. Families are so quick to blame drugs or any other outside source as a way to deal with their grief and protect the memory of their friend. I don't know your friend(s) so this need not apply to them it is just my 2 cents. However I am done with this conversation because it is going nowhere. All the respect to your friend as well
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The people that never have a breakout again are the lucky ones. I took it about 10 years ago, and afterwards still got the occasional spot here & there. After I started using steroids it got much much worse, and I'll probably doing another course of accutane soon.
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An Interesting Article I found for Acne...
By Dr. Mercola
Conventional Treatment Strategies for Acne
The typical strategy used by most dermatologists is to recommend an antibiotic -- typically tetracycline-type derivatives designed to kill infections. In this case, it is propioniform types of bacteria that are responsible for the actual inflammation and infection that occurs on your face.
Propionibacterium acnes can be found on the surface of everyone's skin. Acne flair-ups result when the bacteria block your pores, which lead to inflammation.
Antibiotics can in fact be very useful to clear up your acne. Other conventional treatments include using topical agents such as benzyl peroxide, or in extreme cases harsher treatment drugs like Accutane.
However, I don’t think anyone should be using Accutane (generically known as isotretinoin), and strongly advise against it.
It’s actually the only drug classified as category X, meaning it is 100 percent guaranteed to cause birth defects. As of 2002, if you are a woman of child bearing age, you have to get a pregnancy test before it can be prescribed.
It also has other side effects, such as feelings of depression, aggression, and suicide.
Although these treatments typically do work, it’s important to realize that they in NO way, shape or form treat the underlying cause of your acne.
How to Treat the Root Cause of Your Acne
What you want to do is to eliminate the underlying reason that is causing the propioniform bacteria to result in these cysts or lesions. Fortunately, there are some very simple strategies that will accomplish just that, that work nearly every single time.
What most experts will tell you about acne is that diet has nothing to do with it. Well nothing could be further from the truth.
What has become clearly apparent is that your diet has everything to do with it.
If you are predisposed to developing these acne lesions, and are eating a diet that is causing your insulin levels and associated insulin growth factors to rise, then you will have acne.
This happens because when you eat refined carbohydrates and sugar, it causes a surge of insulin and an insulin-like growth factor called IGF-1 in your body. This can lead to an excess of male hormones, which cause your pores to secrete sebum, a greasy substance that attracts acne-promoting bacteria. Additionally, IGF-1 causes skin cells known as keratinocytes to multiply, a process that is also associated with acne.
So, the simple solution is to radically reduce the amount of food you consume that is causing your body to make insulin. The main culprits here are sugar, and ALL grain carbohydrates as they’re converted into sugar in your body. This includes food items such as:
* Bread
* Cereal
* Pasta
* Rice
* Potatoes
* Corn
The confusion here is the thought that you can have a healthy grain. Please understand that even a high quality, organic, whole wheat bread will cause this problem because it’s still a carbohydrate.
Another confusion is thinking that corn is a vegetable. It’s actually a grain, and a very high density carbohydrate, which should be avoided. Even fruits will likely increase the amount of insulin in your body, and as a result can exacerbate your acne if you’re predisposed to it.
You’ll want to replace sugars and grain carbohydrates with vegetable carbohydrates according to your nutritional type, as they metabolize slowly and tend to not cause spikes in your insulin production.
Other Important Factors to Consider When Treating Acne
There are two other important factors to consider, especially if you’ve tried the conventional approach to treating your acne.
Establish proper balance of bacteria -- If you’ve been given antibiotics it’s very important to take a probiotic supplement. Antibiotics are indiscriminate killers that wipe out good bacteria in your gut as well as the propioniform bacteria on your face. One common side effect of that is an overgrowth of yeast. If you are a woman, you may experience vaginal yeast infections, but both men and women can develop candida as a result of disrupting the balance of bacteria in your gut.
Of course, by reducing your intake of food that bad bacteria and yeast thrive on, i.e. sugars and carbs, you will also help reestablish the proper balance of bacteria in your gut.
Optimize your vitamin D levels – Lastly, what we’ve now found is that vitamin D is crucially important to establishing a healthy immune system and controlling virtually any type of infection.
When you optimize your vitamin D levels you make over 200 antimicrobial peptides (also called host defense peptides). They are an essential component of your innate immune response, and are potent, broad spectrum antibiotics.
The best way to optimize your vitamin D levels is to expose large portions of your skin to healthy amounts of sunshine – just enough to cause your skin to turn a very light pink. Your body can produce as much as 20,000 IU’s with this level of exposure on most of your body. After that your body will not make any more vitamin D, and you may in fact cause skin damage if you stay out any longer.
By exposing yourself to the sun, or using a safe tanning bed, you will optimize your vitamin D production naturally, and virtually eliminate the need to do any blood testing.
If you don’t have access to regular sun exposure or a safe tanning bed, you’ll want to consider supplementing with oral vitamin D. Typically the oral doses are several thousand units a day, ranging from 2-3,000 to as much as 10,000 IU’s per day. But if you chose that route, only do so if you’re monitoring your vitamin D levels with a blood test at regular intervals.
These are the simple strategies I wish I knew when I was younger. I encourage you to try them out because there’s a strong probability they will virtually eliminate your acne, and all the associated emotional and psychological pain that so frequently affects those with this condition.
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