AAS and addiction

[Stephan]

Hello everyone, My name is Stephan and I am a recovering Please read the board rules. No rec drug posts. I have been clean for a year and a half now. I have been working out solid for 9 months and am seeing great results. I am considering using aas but I am concerned that the steroids might trigger a relapse. I currently have 4 10ml bottles of trenbolone acetate and tes prop, Hcg, clomid and nolva... I think that the only thing from using these steroids that might trigger a relapse is depression. I also think that if I follow pct protocol then the depression will be very mild... can someone that has alot of experience with aas help me understand if aas could cause me to want to use (drugs) to mask side effects in pct... I am really concerned.

thanks, Stephan

[MuscleScience]

if your not sure dont do it, plain and simple.

[PEWN]

congrats on the recovery .... thats always good to hear ... i personally dont think it will affect you drive for that type of drug .... but ..... i guess anything can happen man .... good luck...

[im83931]

I would not use them. There are several reasons why. But I will give a couple. Its an association with needles. There are physical issues that many h addicts have that are not readily apparent for years at times. I would also get full lab work done by my Dr. Your body has been through allot. Take it slow and allow it to grow and recover naturally.

[Stephan]

im only 24 its like i was using Please read the board rules. No rec drug posts. for 20 years i used for 4 years. I have used aas in the past when i was a year clean but 2 months after i came off the winstrol,eq, prop i relapsed on Please read the board rules. No rec drug posts... i think it because i didnt do pct and i crashed so i had terrible depression i think if i do pct right this time that will not be a issue but I am not sure that is why I am asking...

[Stephan]

that first sentence is suppose to say its not like i was using for 20 years

[Elusive]

One of my lifting buddies is a recovering Please read the board rules. No rec drug posts. Hes 29 and has been clean for years and is currently on cycle. He seems to be coming along just fine. I would say just surround yourself with the right people and get into a daily routine for eating working and working out. Dont make any time for the drugs.

[Elusive]

I didnt read your last post. If you relapsed coming off a prior cycle I wouldnt risk it.

[juicer1222]

dont risk it man. if it happened before while comin off. also clomid may trigger depression is some people

[Kale]

I didnt read your last post. If you relapsed coming off a prior cycle I wouldnt risk it.

Thats exactly what I was thinking. I would never risk something that would cause me to want to go back on that shit ever,

[longhorn814]

since youve really only been training for nine months..stay away from gear for now and take the time to work on your diet and training..you should be able to get some good gains with a solid diet..which will help you out in the future should you decide to run some gear

[kostakv]

run it, its just another hobby for you to do, youll see great results itll be fun. if you get too depressed during pct just remember its the pct, and do your best, but you have clomid and hcg and nolva, i did a test only cycle and only had nolva and it was not that bad.

[peteroy01]

i would say become a freak like a lot of us and eat,train,sleep and only think about eating, training, and sleeping. and after you've become addicted to the lifestyle then maybe think about hitting the juice.

[Schmidty]

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[kick6]

just don't try to mainline your gear, and you'll be ok.

I've only known one or two H addicts, and I will say that they definetly had a needle fixation. They got so accustomed to an injection bringing them bliss that they found injections pleasureful (pavlovian conditioning). I'd worry that, if they had juiced, they would have taken extreme doses because they'd be injecting more frequently than they should.

[Hollywood080]

I've been off of *said drug* for about 2 1/2 years. My honest opinion is that if getting depressed is going to make you relapse and coming off of a cycle makes you depressed I would stay away. But the question really is are you going to relapse every time you get depressed? Cause you can get depressed without the AAS too. I'd say find a way to deal with your depression before you think about doing a cycle. If you have any questions for me feel free to PM me. I'd be happy to help you with anything too.

[KJSolid]

Congrats for becoming clean man. I would not do a cycle if I were you. At least not yet. Stay clean for awhile longer. A lot of recovering addicts will look for an excuse to use again. Something to blame their relapse on. I am not saying this is the case with you, but I would wait another few years until the thought of the drug is far from your mind. Just my opinion. Good Luck and stay clean.

[NSXTC]

Congrats for becoming clean man. I would not do a cycle if I were you. At least not yet. Stay clean for awhile longer. A lot of recovering addicts will look for an excuse to use again. Something to blame their relapse on. I am not saying this is the case with you, but I would wait another few years until the thought of the drug is far from your mind. Just my opinion. Good Luck and stay clean.

Listen to this! Your gonna be walking down a road you haven't been down before. Your health isn't worth the risk at this point. Wait man, wait a little while.

[BG]

Yes there is tremendous addiction problems with AAS, if you've had rec issues, stay away from gear.

[Schmidty]

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[PT]

my bad

[Schmidty]

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[PT]

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Dude..... U gota detox n rehab2. If ur a junkie ur gona get sick, n it sux no matter were ur at wether its at rehab, ur mums, car.

theres a huge difference between detoxing in a rehab center or doing it on your own without drugs. my fiance worked in a drug rehab center out of college and they give you alot of drugs to keep your blood pressure down, to help with the Please read the board rules. No rec drug posts. cravings and to help you sleep. trust me, there is a huge difference

[Schmidty]

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[PT]

all done for me

[KJSolid]

this is only my personal advice and i expect you to make your own decision as to whats best for you. first off there are not to many people that workout and use Please read the board rules. No rec drug posts. so my advice would be to continue lifting and hit the juice. by doing so it gives you a different hobby outside the world of narcotics and keeps you away from your friends you once used with. you just need to have the mind set that Please read the board rules. No rec drug posts. is in your past and lifting is your future and your never going back to your past. how did you stop using Please read the board rules. No rec drug posts. anyway? rehab, detox, Please read the board rules. No rec drug posts. or natural detox? im just curious

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First off I like your disclaimer. I disagree with your statement that not a lot of people that workout and use h. The first time I ever shot any kind of rec drug was while I was lifting. It started with a common rec drug that is shot by many bodybuilders and slow increased to other things including h. Many of my friends that are religiously into body building still use these drugs. I think that it is because of the following: 1) they have been poking themselves for years so whats the difference with poking a vein instead of a muscle. 2) They no longer drink so shooting is their rec of choice. 3) Helps them relax, sore muscles, sleep (think about how you sleep on tren), etc. Sorry to ramble.

[PT]

First off I like your disclaimer. I disagree with your statement that not a lot of people that workout and use Please read the board rules. No rec drug posts.. The first time I ever shot any kind of rec drug was while I was lifting. It started with a common rec drug that is shot by many bodybuilders and slow increased to other things including Please read the board rules. No rec drug posts.. Many of my friends that are religiously into body building still use these drugs. I think that it is because of the following: 1) they have been poking themselves for years so whats the difference with poking a vein instead of a muscle. 2) They no longer drink so shooting is their rec of choice. 3) Helps them relax, sore muscles, sleep (think about how you sleep on tren), etc. Sorry to ramble.

most people end up leaving the gym for there drugs. 9 out of 10 will choose spending there day trying to find more Please read the board rules. No rec drug posts. then lifting

[CheddaNips]

Hello everyone, My name is Stephan and I am a recovering Please read the board rules. No rec drug posts. I have been clean for a year and a half now. I have been working out solid for 9 months and am seeing great results. I am considering using aas but I am concerned that the steroids might trigger a relapse. I currently have 4 10ml bottles of trenbolone acetate and tes prop, Hcg, clomid and nolva... I think that the only thing from using these steroids that might trigger a relapse is depression. I also think that if I follow pct protocol then the depression will be very mild... can someone that has alot of experience with aas help me understand if aas could cause me to want to use (drugs) to mask side effects in pct... I am really concerned.

thanks, Stephan

Man i applaud you on you honesty man. IMO i dont see a problem with you using AAS. AAS are not addictive (some would beg to differ) but they are drugs with Good and Bad effects, Like any drug. This site is here to help you do them right. There is a Fine line between Using AAS and abusing. Stay on the right side. If you are worried about the depression then do not take the tren. I personally have never felt better while on test. And the needles could be a sort of relapse trigger, but if you were strong enough to get over a H addiction im sure you could stay. Best wishes in Whatever you choose

[Fordfan01]

not to be an ass but the drug everyone is referencing to needs to be edited out

[Hollywood080]

not to be an ass but the drug everyone is referencing to needs to be edited out

Fordfan is right ya'll! I would edit these posts. The topic is a good topic but all the recreational drug references could get this thread locked and i think that there is a lot of good advice in here to lose because of the references. Please edit your posts!!!

[Fordfan01]

has neone read the rules??? please edit all post with rec drug talk this is to protect the site

[Hollywood080]

That includes the prescriptions just to be on the safe side!

[KJSolid]

I believe I took care of my posts.

[Hollywood080]

Thanks guys! Good thread!

[meathead320]

Unless you are on TRT, a post cycle crash is always possible.

IMHO, don't risk it.

Those crashes can make guys do weird things, and that would likely trigger a relapse.

The other thing to look out for is that you have an addictive personality.

AAS itself is not pharmacologically addictive, however the results mentally addictive, and losing even some of the results of a physique has kept many of gym lifter on cycle MUCH longer at MUCH higher doses than anyone should stay on for.

There are guys who have used 2g+ of test, or other AAS combined EW, for years because they just did not want to come off, or lower the dose, because losing 5 pounds of muscle would “ruin their life”.

Having a great physique is nice, however for those with addictive personalities, I would suggest just trying to stay fit. At least if that becomes addictive, then you are just a “health nut”. That is ok too, you can live a long time as a health nut. 80 years easily.

AAS use at massive doses until you have a heart the size of a basketball, as to what could happen with AAS abuse. Addictive personality and AAS, well that is risky.

Yes, I think AAS CAN be abused. Not that I agree with it being illegal, but to think they are 100% benign is also delusional. These are powerful hormones, with powerful effects, and that is a reason to respect them.

[MindBomb]

Unless you are on TRT, a post cycle crash is always possible.

IMHO, don't risk it.

Those crashes can make guys do weird things, and that would likely trigger a relapse.

The other thing to look out for is that you have an addictive personality.

AAS itself is not pharmacologically addictive, however the results mentally addictive, and losing even some of the results of a physique has kept many of gym lifter on cycle MUCH longer at MUCH higher doses than anyone should stay on for.

There are guys who have used 2g+ of test, or other AAS combined EW, for years because they just did not want to come off, or lower the dose, because losing 5 pounds of muscle would “ruin their life”.

Having a great physique is nice, however for those with addictive personalities, I would suggest just trying to stay fit. At least if that becomes addictive, then you are just a “health nut”. That is ok too, you can live a long time as a health nut. 80 years easily.

AAS use at massive doses until you have a heart the size of a basketball, as to what could happen with AAS abuse. Addictive personality and AAS, well that is risky.

Yes, I think AAS CAN be abused. Not that I agree with it being illegal, but to think they are 100% benign is also delusional. These are powerful hormones, with powerful effects, and that is a reason to respect them.

Very well stated. Pct makes many very emotional. Hormonal imbalance can be tricky to deal with. And previous failure you went through should be some sort of sign. Being clean is more important than looking jacked.

[audis4]

schmidty edit your posts...holy sh!t!!!!!!!!!!

[meathead320]

schmidty,

Remove the words: xxxxxxxxx and xxxxx and xxxxxxx.

Then we are all good here.

[Stephan]

Thanks for the advice, but im going to use the aas. I cant not do them I already have them. I do have a very addictive personality but im not going to abuse the aas im just worried about hardcore depression... Hopefully everything will work out for me with this cycle.

[kick6]

Thanks for the advice, but im going to use the aas. I cant not do them I already have them.

If you're going to talk yourself into it, come up with a better reason than this, man.