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    This is the accessible text file for GAO report number GAO-06-243R
    entitled 'Anabolic Steroids Are Easily Purchased Without a Prescription
    and Present Significant Challenges to Law Enforcement Officials' which
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    November 3, 2005:

    The Honorable Tom Davis:
    Chairman:
    The Honorable Henry Waxman:
    Ranking Minority Member:
    Committee on Government Reform:
    House of Representatives:

    Subject: Anabolic Steroids Are Easily Purchased Without a Prescription
    and Present Significant Challenges to Law Enforcement Officials:

    This report responds to your request that we investigate whether
    anabolic steroids can be purchased without a prescription and test
    whether such purchases are easily made. You also asked us to identify
    common sources of illegal anabolic steroids, and significant challenges
    law enforcement officials encounter in investigating, prosecuting, and
    deterring criminal anabolic steroid traffickers.

    To complete this work, we made purchases through the Internet of
    anabolic steroids commonly used by athletes and bodybuilders, and had
    tests performed on the products purchased by the National Medical
    Services, a commercial laboratory, and the Food and Drug Administration
    (FDA). To identify significant challenges law enforcement officials
    encounter in the investigation and prosecution of illegal anabolic
    steroid traffickers, we interviewed officials of federal agencies that
    have responsibility for enforcement of laws relating to anabolic
    steroids--FDA, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), the
    Department of Justice (DOJ), and the U.S. Customs and Border Patrol
    Agency (CBP)---and we visited CBP international mail facilities at two
    airports that receive significant quantities of mail containing
    anabolic steroids, New York's Kennedy Airport and at the Miami
    International Airport. Additionally, to obtain the perspective of state
    and local officials on enforcement issues, we interviewed officials of
    New York's Office of the Special Narcotics Prosecutor, the only
    prosecutorial agency in the country that is exclusively dedicated to
    the investigation and prosecution of felony drug offenses. We also
    spoke with officials of the United States Sentencing Commission and
    researched current and proposed legislation relating to illegal
    anabolic steroid activity.

    Summary:

    Our investigators easily obtained anabolic steroids without a
    prescription through the Internet. After conducting Internet searches,
    they found hundreds of Web sites offering anabolic steroids commonly
    used by athletes and bodybuilders for sale. The investigators then used
    an e-mail account in a fictitious name to place 22 orders. From these
    orders, we received 10 shipments of anabolic steroids; all were shipped
    from foreign countries. We also received 4 shipments from within the
    United States but the substances they contained, though marketed as
    anabolic steroids or other "muscle building" products, were not
    anabolic steroids according to the FDA.[Footnote 1] We are referring
    the evidence concerning our purchases to DEA and to FDA for appropriate
    action.

    The officials we spoke with told us that most anabolic steroids sold
    illegally in the United States come from abroad, and that the Internet
    is the most widely used means of buying and selling anabolic steroids
    illegally. They also reported that, because of the foreign origin of
    the steroids and the widespread use of the Internet in steroid
    trafficking, extensive time and resources are usually required to
    investigate and prosecute steroid cases. Further, the sheer volume of
    all types of imports from abroad presents significant challenges in
    efforts to prevent anabolic steroids from illegally entering the United
    States. Additionally, some officials noted the relatively low sentences
    that result from application of the federal sentencing guidelines to
    persons convicted of illegal steroid trafficking.

    Background:

    Anabolic steroids are synthetic forms of the male sex hormone
    testosterone that can be taken orally, injected, or rubbed on the skin.
    Under U.S. law they cannot be sold without a prescription, and are
    dispensed to treat conditions associated with low testosterone levels,
    such as delayed puberty or body wasting associated with AIDS. When used
    in combination with exercise, training, and a high protein diet,
    anabolic steroids can improve endurance and promote increased muscle
    size and strength. Because of these effects, they are illicitly used as
    performance-enhancing drugs by some athletes, bodybuilders, and others
    to improve competitiveness or appearance.

    However, steroid abuse can cause devastating side effects, including
    liver, kidney, and heart disease; cancer, stroke, and behavioral
    changes such as increased aggression and severe depression. The
    availability and use of anabolic steroids in sports, particularly among
    adolescents, is a growing concern. According to a National Institute of
    Health study, use of steroids by American young people underwent a
    period of sharp rise in the late 1990s, and continues to be at an all
    time high among 12TH graders. Moreover, in a recent study performed by
    the University of Michigan, more than 42 percent of 12TH graders
    reported that anabolic steroids are easy or fairly easy to obtain
    without a prescription.

    In 1990, Congress passed the Anabolic Steroids Control Act of
    1990[Footnote 2] adding anabolic steroids to the federal schedule of
    controlled substances.[Footnote 3] The act placed anabolic steroids on
    Schedule III of the Controlled Substance Act and specifically
    identified 27 anabolic steroids. The maximum term of imprisonment for a
    Schedule III controlled substance offense is 5 years, or 10 years if
    the person has a prior felony drug offense conviction.[Footnote 4] The
    Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004 added additional anabolic steroids
    to Schedule III of the Controlled Substance Act.

    Purchases of Anabolic Steroids without a Prescription:

    Our investigators tested whether it would be easy for anyone who has
    access to a computer to locate and make purchases from dealers who sell
    anabolic steroids illegally.

    To do this, they replicated what any athlete or bodybuilder of any age
    can do on a home computer. First, they conducted Internet searches
    using the words "anabolic steroids," or the names of specific anabolic
    steroids that DEA identified for us as commonly used by athletes and
    bodybuilders. As a result, they found hundreds of Web sites offering
    anabolic steroids for sale.

    The investigators placed a total of 22 orders for anabolic steroids
    through 22 of these Web sites that were selected randomly. Using an e-
    mail account that they established in a fictitious name, the
    investigators completed these orders and paid for them. As a result, we
    received 14 shipments. Of that number, 10 were anabolic steroids; the 4
    additional shipments contained substances that were not anabolic
    steroids.[Footnote 5]

    Steroids Received:

    The 10 orders of anabolic steroids we received were obtained through
    Web sites that openly and boldly offer anabolic steroids for sale. Some
    of the Web sites offer a variety of pharmaceutical drugs, while others
    sell anabolic steroids exclusively. They typically offer "private and
    confidential" sales of "discretely shipped" anabolic steroids that will
    "shape your body the way . . . you want it to look." Many sites offer
    dozens of anabolic steroids for sale. They promote anabolic steroid use
    through claims that they have good affects on the body, touting, for
    example, that one product is a "growth-promoting agent."

    Other Web sites, including some of those from which we made purchases,
    offer packages of different steroids for those who "cycle" or "stack"
    their use of anabolic steroids. A cycle is a period of from 6 and 14
    weeks of steroid use, followed by a period of abstinence or gradual
    reduction in use; stacking is using multiple anabolic steroids
    concurrently. The packages offered by the Web sites are designed for a
    variety of different users, from "beginning" muscle builders to
    advanced "mass" builders, to customers interested in the "ladies lean
    stack."

    The Web sites do not indicate the country from which the steroids are
    shipped, but we later learned from return addresses and postmarks on
    the shipments that the anabolic steroids all came from outside the
    United States. Although we placed these 10 orders at 10 different Web
    sites, the shipments came from just three different countries: five
    were from Trieste, Italy; four from Shanghai, China; and one from
    Athens, Greece. The shipment from Athens, Greece came in a plain 5-by 6-
    inch envelope bearing a return address label with an individual's name
    and address. It contained one bottle of the anabolic steroid
    Testosterone Propionate in liquid form. We paid $114.00 for the order
    using a credit card.

    The five orders shipped from Trieste, Italy, came in plain 5 by 7 inch
    envelopes bearing one of three different return address labels with an
    individual's name and address. From one address we received two orders,
    each containing 100 tablets of the anabolic steroid Methandrostenolone.
    Using a credit card, we paid $109.20 for one of these orders and
    $107.90 for the other.

    From a different return address in Trieste we received two other
    packages, each containing one bottle of the anabolic steroid
    Testosterone Cypionate in liquid form. Using a credit card, we paid
    $120.90 for one of these orders. For the other, we followed
    instructions sent through e-mail communications from the dealer to wire
    $144.00 through Western Union to an individual in Vienna, Austria. From
    the third address in Trieste we received a package containing 100
    tablets of Methandrostenolone. We paid $117.00 for the order and wired
    the money through Western Union to an individual in Salzburg, Austria,
    as instructed.

    Each of the four shipments from Shanghai came in a plain 6 by 9 inch
    envelope. Each envelope had a return address label bearing a different
    individual's name and address.

    We paid for each of them by credit card. One package contained 150
    yellow tablets of the anabolic steroid Stanozolol for which we paid
    $200.00. A second package containing 20 tablets of Stanozolol was also
    received, and we paid $97.00 for them. Additionally, we received a
    package containing crushed green tablets of the anabolic steroid
    Oxymetholone and paid $124.00 for them. The fourth package from
    Shanghai contained 40 green tablets of Oxymetholone and cost $323.00.

    Other Products Received:

    We also received four shipments from dealers in the United States
    through Web sites that claimed to sell anabolic steroids or products
    that have the muscle-building effects of anabolic steroids. However,
    according to FDA, none of these shipments contained anabolic steroids.
    We have referred the results of our investigation concerning these
    products to the FDA.

    Challenges Faced by Law Enforcement Officials When Investigating and
    Prosecuting Illegal Steroid Trafficking Cases:

    Law enforcement officials identified significant challenges in their
    efforts to investigate, prosecute, and deter criminal anabolic steroid
    traffickers. These challenges arise from the foreign origin of many
    illegally sold steroids, the widespread use of the Internet in steroid
    trafficking, the volume of mail CBP must screen in its efforts to
    prevent entry of anabolic steroids into the United States, and the
    relatively low sentences that result from application of the federal
    Sentencing Guidelines to illegal steroid offenders.

    Most Illegally Sold Anabolic Steroids Come From Abroad:

    The law enforcement officials we spoke to reported that, in their
    experience, most anabolic steroids distributed illegally in the United
    States come from abroad. The results of our test purchases tend to
    confirm this. Larger illegal anabolic steroid dealers in the United
    States frequently have multiple overseas sources of steroids.
    Significant quantities of anabolic steroids come from Mexico, as well
    as other countries such as Russia, Romania, and Greece.

    There is a readily available supply of steroids worldwide because, in
    most countries, anabolic steroids can be sold legally without a
    prescription. Thus, many foreign distributors do not violate the laws
    of their own country when they sell these substances to people in the
    United States. As a result, U.S. law enforcement agencies have
    difficulty in obtaining assistance from their foreign counterparts in
    investigations of such distributors.

    Law enforcement officials also identified smuggling of anabolic
    steroids[Footnote 6] across international borders into the United
    States as an important part of the illegal distribution network and
    described how smugglers typically operate. A smuggler in the United
    States takes orders from steroid customers in person, over the phone,
    or via e-mail. After obtaining advance payment from customers, the
    smuggler will travel to the source country, usually Mexico, to purchase
    the steroids. Some smugglers pay someone else to perform this function
    or have a foreign source that will ship the steroids. Smugglers who
    travel either carry the steroids back or ship them to the United
    States. In Mexico and European countries, smugglers usually buy
    anabolic steroids from pharmacies.

    In some cases, the smuggler may ship the steroids to a partner in the
    United States, known as a remailer, and provide the remailer with
    addresses of specific U.S. customers.

    The remailer repackages the steroids and sends them to the customers.
    According to law enforcement officials, the remailer normally performs
    this task in exchange for money or free steroids. The customer may then
    use the steroids or resell them to others in places such as gyms and at
    bodybuilding contests.[Footnote 7]

    The Internet Facilitates Illegal Anabolic Steroid Trafficking:

    Law enforcement officials reported that the Internet is a primary
    vehicle for buying and selling anabolic steroids illegally. Internet
    Web sites, usually foreign based, advertise steroids for sale.
    Customers access these sites, inquire about purchases, and place
    orders. Sellers typically require advance payment through Western
    Union, PayPal, money orders, or credit cards. After receiving payment,
    sellers ship the steroids through international mail or an express
    carrier. A remailer may also be used to resend packages once they
    arrive in the United States.

    The Internet also provides an easy means for sellers to market to young
    people. Moreover, according to some of the law enforcement officials we
    spoke to, sales of steroids and other synthetic drugs are used by some
    sellers as a "gateway" to sales of narcotics, such as cocaine.
    Typically, in such cases, the seller uses an initial series of steroid
    or designer drug transactions to gauge whether the buyer is a
    legitimate customer and is not an undercover law enforcement
    investigator. After the seller has gained assurances that the customer
    is legitimate through the initial steroid sales, narcotics are offered
    for sale.

    To prosecute illegal steroid dealers, law enforcement officials must
    identify them and gather evidence of their trafficking activity.
    However, anabolic steroid dealers can capitalize on the anonymity
    afforded by the Internet to thwart efforts to identify them. Internet
    sites can be installed, moved, or removed easily and quickly, making it
    difficult for law enforcement agencies to identify, track, monitor, or
    shut them down. As a result, investigations of anabolic steroid dealers
    require substantial time and resources.

    Further, dealers operating through the Internet typically communicate
    with individual customers through e-mail, and establish e-mail accounts
    using fictitious identifying information and mailing addresses with one
    of the free e-mail services.[Footnote 8] Some officials reported to us
    that the use of free e-mail accounts with fictitious account holder
    identity information is found frequently in investigations, and is many
    dealers' preferred means of communication with customers. Such accounts
    add an additional layer of anonymity to the dealer and complexity to
    law enforcement efforts to track down and identify them.

    Of particular concern to some officials are offshore providers of free
    e-mail services such as Hushmail,[Footnote 9] based in Ireland, and
    Operamail, based in the Netherlands. Officials at one agency told us
    that they believe it is too risky to approach these providers with
    requests for voluntary cooperation because they can ignore
    nondisclosure requests with impunity, and may intentionally or
    unintentionally tip off the subjects of investigations.

    Internet drug crime investigations are further complicated by service
    providers who strip e-mail messages of information about their point of
    origin. E-mail generally contains "header" information identifying
    various Internet Protocol (IP) addresses, including "routing" and
    "originating" IP addresses. IP addresses may prove useful in
    determining the identity of the user of a particular e-mail account.
    However, in some cases, investigators find that some service providers
    automatically eliminate origination and routing IP addresses from e-
    mail sent through their services. Hushmail, for example, strips
    origination IP addresses and substitutes the IP Address of Hushmail's
    own computers on its customers' communications. The result, for
    example, is that when a steroids dealer in Florida sends an e-mail to a
    customer in Virginia, the e-mail that arrives in Virginia has
    Hushmail's originating IP Address in Ireland rather than the actual IP
    originating address of the dealer.

    Challenges in Interdicting Entry of Steroids into the United States:

    All international mail entering the United States through the U.S.
    Postal Service and private carriers is subject to inspection by the CBP
    at the 14 international mail facilities and 29 express consignment
    carrier facilities located around the country. CBP inspects for
    illegally imported controlled substances, such as anabolic steroids,
    contraband, and other items that are inadmissible into the United
    States. Each year the international mail and carrier facilities process
    hundreds of millions of pieces of mail and packages. For example, the
    international mail facility at John F. Kennedy Airport in New York
    alone receives approximately 1.3 million pieces of mail each day. The
    volume of mail, together with the steps illegal steroid shippers use to
    disguise their product and the labor-intensive nature of the inspection
    process itself, present formidable challenges to the CBP in its efforts
    to interdict the entry of anabolic steroids into the United States.

    The inspection process is very labor and time intensive, and can
    include visual examination, x-ray, and opening mail to physically
    inspect the contents. At the international mail facilities we visited
    in New York and Miami, mail goes through a series of processes before
    being released or detained by the CBP. It passes through a portal
    monitor designed to screen for nuclear and radiological materials, and
    is placed on a conveyer belt where officers screen individual pieces of
    mail. CBP officers target packages for inspection based on factors such
    as their knowledge, intuition, and experience; whether the mail
    originated in suspect countries; and intelligence gained from prior
    interceptions of controlled substances. Suspicious mail is separated, x-
    rayed, opened by individual inspectors, and searched.

    The difficulty of detecting anabolic steroids is further increased
    because dealers conceal them in items such as books or small electrical
    equipment to avoid detection by CBP. Anabolic steroids are commonly
    secreted in small electronic equipment, such as speakers, blenders, or
    alarm clocks, or hidden in compact disk cases or in hollowed sections
    of books. We observed examples of such shipments that had been
    intercepted by CBP during our visits to U.S. Postal Service
    International Mail facilities in Miami and in New York. Figure 1 is a
    photograph of a book in which CBP in New York found a shipment of the
    anabolic steroid Testosterone Enanthate from India.

    Figure 1: Book From India Containing Anabolic Steroids Interdicted By
    CBP:

    [See PDF for image]

    [End of figure]

    The left side of figure 2 is a photograph of a box and radio that were
    in a package shipped from Panama. CBP in Miami found that the radio had
    been used to hide a shipment of the anabolic steroid Testosterone
    Cypionate. The right side of figure 2 shows the opened radio with the
    steroid secreted inside.

    Figure 2: Radio From Panama Interdicted By CBP (left); Radio Opened To
    Disclose Anabolic Steroids (right):

    [See PDF for image]

    [End of figure]

    CBP officials noted that shippers and customers can also use an on-line
    tracking system made available by the Postal Service to track packages
    sent through express mail. This enables illegal traffickers in steroids
    to determine whether and where a shipment has been detained by the CBP.
    This is a disadvantage for law enforcement officials when they attempt
    to conduct an investigation through what is known as a controlled
    delivery. In a controlled delivery, a law enforcement employee poses as
    a Postal Service employee and delivers the package to the intended
    recipient. This may provide an opportunity to gather evidence or make
    an arrest. However, the value of a controlled delivery as an
    investigative tool may be compromised if the trafficker, through the
    tracking system, has notice that the shipment was detained by the CBP.

    Federal Sentencing Guidelines for Steroids Offenses Do Not Provide a
    High Level of Deterrence:

    Law enforcement officials told us that although extensive time and
    resources are required to locate, charge, and convict criminal anabolic
    steroid dealers, the penalties under the Federal Sentencing Guidelines
    faced by persons convicted of such offenses do not reflect the
    seriousness of their crimes or provide adequate deterrence.[Footnote
    10] Drug quantity is a principal factor in determining offense level
    and sentence for drug offenses under the sentencing guidelines.
    Quantity of anabolic steroids and other Schedule III controlled
    substances under the sentencing guidelines is based on a "unit" system.
    A unit of a Schedule III controlled substance, other than anabolic
    steroids, is "one pill, capsule, or tablet" or, if in liquid form, 0.5
    grams. However, the sentencing guidelines treat anabolic steroids
    differently from all other Schedule III substances. One unit of an
    anabolic steroid is 50 pills, capsules, or tablets or, if in liquid
    form, one unit equals a 10 cc vial of injectable steroid.[Footnote 11]

    As a result, an offender responsible for selling 40,000 pills of a
    Schedule III substance other than an anabolic steroid, such as
    ketamine, would face a sentence of 33 to 41 months under the drug
    quantity rules of the sentencing guidelines. On the other hand, an
    offender convicted of selling 40,000 pills of an anabolic steroid would
    face a sentence of 0 to 6 months under those rules. According to DOJ,
    DEA's laboratory seizure analysis from 2003 suggests that anabolic
    steroid seizures in major cases consist of quantities in the order of
    magnitude of 20,000 to 40,000 tablets and 2,000 to 6,000 milliliters.
    Thus, in the case of DEA's largest seizure in 2003, in which 44,000
    tablets of the anabolic steroid Methandienone were seized, a defendant
    convicted of trafficking in those steroids would face a sentence of 0
    to 6 months under the drug quantity rules of the current sentencing
    guidelines.

    Section 3 of the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004 directed the
    United States Sentencing Commission to review and consider amending the
    Federal Sentencing Guidelines with respect to steroids
    offenses.[Footnote 12] The Sentencing Commission began its review of
    anabolic steroids offenses during its 2004-2005 amendment
    cycle.[Footnote 13] In February 2005, the Commission issued a notice
    for public comment in the Federal Register on whether the guidelines
    governing steroids offenses should be amended. The Sentencing
    Commission received public comment from various parties and in April,
    2005, held a public hearing at which it received testimony from the
    Department of Justice, the Federal Public Defenders Service, the
    National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, and the Practitioners
    Advisory Group.[Footnote 14] After reviewing the information obtained,
    the Sentencing Commission deferred promulgation of steroids-related
    amendments to the federal sentencing guidelines because it concluded
    that it did not have sufficient information on offenses involving
    anabolic steroids, particularly anabolic steroids trafficking.

    Instead, the Sentencing Commission decided to conduct further research
    and outreach in order to determine the most appropriate course of
    action.[Footnote 15] It also decided to seek "emergency amendment
    authority" from Congress that would give the Sentencing Commission the
    option of promulgating an amendment that would take effect immediately
    upon date of promulgation. The Sentencing Commission submitted its
    request to Congress on April 20, 2005.[Footnote 16] On September 29,
    2005, the President signed a bill[Footnote 17] which provides that, if
    the Sentencing Commission determines that amending the federal
    sentencing guidelines for anabolic steroids offenses is appropriate,
    such amendments will take effect by March 29, 2006.

    This report will be available on GAO's web page at http://www.gao.gov.
    If you have questions, please contact me at (202) 512-7227 or
    [email protected]. Barry Shillito, Daniel Kaneshiro, Ramon Rodriguez, and
    Richard Egan made major contributions to this report.

    Signed by:

    Robert J. Cramer:
    Associate General Counsel:

    (601322):

    FOOTNOTES

    [1] Eight orders were never received.

    [2] Anabolic Steroids Control Act of 1990, Pub. L. No. 101-647, 104
    Stat. 4851 (1990) (amending the Controlled Substances Act, 21 U.S.C. §
    812 (c)).

    [3] Prior to 1990, anabolic steroids were not classified as a
    controlled substance under federal law, and their use was subject to
    regulation by the FDA.

    [4] Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986, Pub. L. No. 99-570 , 100 Stat. 3207
    (codified at 21 U.S.C. § 841(b)(1)(D); 21 U.S.C. § 960(b)(4) (5-year
    maximum term of imprisonment for import violations).

    [5] The National Medical Services laboratory tested the 10 products
    that were anabolic steroids to confirm that they were in fact anabolic
    steroids and to determine the type of anabolic steroid received; the
    FDA tested the 4 other products we received to determine their
    contents.

    [6] An emerging issue identified by officials we spoke with is the
    illegal importation of anabolic steroids in bulk powder form. Large
    quantities of steroids can be smuggled in bulk powder form into the
    United States where injectible forms of steroids can be reconstituted
    from them. These shipments are more difficult to detect than steroids
    in tablet or liquid form.

    [7] You also specifically asked about the extent to which steroids are
    illegally diverted from pharmacies and synthesized in clandestine
    laboratories. The officials we spoke with indicated that, in their
    experience, the number of pharmacy diversion and clandestine laboratory
    cases is relatively small; the Internet, smuggling, and foreign source
    anabolic steroids are the most significant anabolic steroid trafficking
    issues.

    [8] Since there are no fees for these accounts, the service providers
    may have no reason to verify the account holder's name, address, or
    other identifying information.

    [9] Hushmail also offers free automatic encryption services.

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    Wow, thats was a long but good read. Nice find. Drugs are bad.

    Thanks,

    THE BOSS

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    yeah good luck with that uncle sam... LOL

    fortunatley thousands of us will always slip through the cracks and get what we want with no legal troubles...

    yeah LE is certainly trying to stop the steriod trade but as long as selling steroids makes people money they will be availiable for sale...

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    Good read.

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    Anyone wanna sum it up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skipp
    Anyone wanna sum it up?
    lol ya too much to read..

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaBROLIC
    lol ya too much to read..
    HAHA, I read 2 paragraphs, find a good domestic UGL and stick with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaBROLIC
    lol ya too much to read..


    Humm may be to much to read But would suggest to read it this is a investagation from LE to see how easy it is to buy AAS from internet sites and then report....... there is good information . Because of the NEW AAS LAW about to become permadent LAW that could land a simple BB 25 years in prison for just one cycle

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    And the moral of the story is..............You have a 45% chance (10 of 22) of getting legit gear off your internet purchase. In other words. DONT ORDER OFF AN INTERNET WEBSITE!!!!! Heck, you have a 37% chance of receiving nothing at all for you hard earned money.

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    great read

    ..Darkomen

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    Well sounds like thats out of the equation... and great post

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    Good stuff...I wanna be part of the group that made the 22 orders so i could use sum

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    Can you sum that all up in about 1 paragraph

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    Did anybody notice the prices they paid. One bottle of Prop for $114. I am so glad the feds got ripped off. Fvcking dickheads !!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGuns101
    find a good domestic UGL and stick with them.
    We are not all so lucky..... But very good read nonetheless

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kale
    Did anybody notice the prices they paid. One bottle of Prop for $114. I am so glad the feds got ripped off. Fvcking dickheads !!!!
    they payed with our taxes.. so in the end, we get shafted again....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kale
    Did anybody notice the prices they paid. One bottle of Prop for $114. I am so glad the feds got ripped off. Fvcking dickheads !!!!
    No $hit.
    How about this part...

    We also received 4 shipments from within the
    United States but the substances they contained, though marketed as
    anabolic steroids or other "muscle building" products, were not
    anabolic steroids according to the FDA.[Footnote 1] We are referring
    the evidence concerning our purchases to DEA and to FDA for appropriate
    action.
    These idiots bought Dianiboll, Winstril, and all that other fake steroid crap that pops up when you search for it or buy from a magazine.
    They believe that all domestic orders are not real, and that real steroids only come from other countries.
    As Carlos Mencia would say.."Dee-de-dee"

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    Damn Right!

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGuns101
    HAHA, I read 2 paragraphs, find a good domestic UGL and stick with them.

    Isn't that the truth!!!

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    So, I wonder what kind of gains they got from their purchased roids

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    This Kind Of Shit Scares Me. 25 Years For Just One Cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Receiver84
    And the moral of the story is..............You have a 45% chance (10 of 22) of getting legit gear off your internet purchase. In other words. DONT ORDER OFF AN INTERNET WEBSITE!!!!! Heck, you have a 37% chance of receiving nothing at all for you hard earned money.
    maybe with ur weak source not mine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kale
    Did anybody notice the prices they paid. One bottle of Prop for $114. I am so glad the feds got ripped off. Fvcking dickheads !!!!
    Yep. Who would order a single bottle of anything, unless they were LE? They are frustrated by the fact that they can't get help from overseas LE - because it is legal there. Can't they take the hint???????

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    The bottom line for them is that to make a significant impact on the trade is very complex and by changing laws alone is not gonna make even a slight dent in detering people from getting what they want. There is no easy answer for them with many hurdles to overcome. They realise it's a lot more complex than they anticipated and that the trade is well organised. The biggest concern for them is trying to stop the trade from the source (the linch pins of these operations) but laws differ in the origional countrys of the start of the trail. They feel that they are not gonna get cooperation from these countrys as they would have to go through their own political methods different from The USA. Also they prob fell that those countrys where the roids are legal don't see this issue as a priority with prob ongoing political instability there. They seem to think that after these traders gain the customers trust that they can offer the customer recreational drugs or the potential to do so. If that was to happen they would get cooperation overseas. I think these labs are not stupid. It,s almost as if the US officials are hoping this is the case to make it easier for them but i believe that they threw that part in to sex up the report in an attempt to make people more concerned. ( ****ing Wankers).

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank12391
    The bottom line for them is that to make a significant impact on the trade is They seem to think that after these traders gain the customers trust that they can offer the customer recreational drugs or the potential to do so. If that was to happen they would get cooperation overseas. I think these labs are not stupid. It,s almost as if the US officials are hoping this is the case to make it easier for them but i believe that they threw that part in to sex up the report in an attempt to make people more concerned. ( ****ing Wankers).
    That's an excellent point - and in fact may be an excuse for them to invoke "War on Drugs" powers that allows kidnapping of overseas sources, military invervention, etc.

    And of course it makes no sense - why would a leitimate business operating openly and legally in their country risk all that to sell some (true) junk?

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    You guys will probably hate me But I am LE... its true that cops are retards i don't know why i am a COP. I am about to be an avaitor so i can just fly my own shit. But thats like 3 years away
    I dunno its a balance type system
    someone has to **** and un**** with it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kale
    Did anybody notice the prices they paid. One bottle of Prop for $114. I am so glad the feds got ripped off. Fvcking dickheads !!!!

    ya hahahaha
    good stuff....thanks for the read
    this is for the feds

    juice

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    is there not a bigger problem with meth here in teh states?? they could use that money and go bust something that is really killing people, families, kids, and desroying lifes! i just wish someone could tell me why steroids is such an issue. they dont even have to leave the US to start cracking down on the meth heads. the guys who made the orders should be out riding around trying to find real drugs instead of wasting time and money trying to bust people who care about there bodies, and want drugs that will enhance not destroy!

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    Or they could stop trying to be nannies to adults altogether....

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    wow.. arent they just doin their research? well **** uncle sam.. did i say that out loud? sorry.. they just need to let people do what they wanna do. No doing EDITED and all that shit is bad.. i dont mean to let junkies be junkies.. but come on now.. wtf? land of the free? shit.. i think i am gonna move out of country.

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    Good read.. Maybe they should worry about the murderes and rapist what a waste of my tax money.

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    thats the US for ya.. always putting their nose in everyones business.

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    thats the US for ya.. always putting their nose in everyones business.
    yeah, lets all move to saudi arabia. i was going to say REPOST, then i realized this is the same thread i read 3 years ago. you realize this was done in 2005 and other than 'raw deal' nothing much came of it.

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    Good read, but where there is a will there is a way, The truth infact is it doesnt matter what anyone does, they could spend billions of dollars on this reguardless and people will find a way, I guarantee with the right time and people a fake perscription isnt that hard, granted onlines easier. Goosed great call, take me to a trailor park with some FBI agents and I can point out 4 methlabs like that, then take me to a Low Income Housing project and Ill point out the crack shacks and it doesnt even matter what town. IE Worry about a real problem not some weak ass BS like this.

    Haha but b**** on a forum realy isnt going to do anything but let us vent to eachother

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    le now charging suppliers that sell research chems and conversion kits...wtf?

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    one more thing making america look like a bunch of asses.

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    did we really need to bump a 2.5 year old thread fellows?????

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    did we really need to bump a 2.5 year old thread fellows?????
    hah i just read a thread bumped from 2003

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