Before I start The cycle.

[Lecent83]

Not sure how long exactly to be on winstrol or what kind of results i will see. I was thinking (from what research i could find)


week 1: 25mg->m/w/f/sun
week 2: 25mg->t/th/sat
week 3: 50mg->m/w/f/sun
week 4: 50mg->t/th/sat
week 5: 50mg->m/w/f/sun
week 6: 50mg->t/th/sat

Milk thistle ED as well

i posted a thread before about injectable but i ended up only getting my hands on oral...
Not sure on the strength of the results I'm going to see, any suggestions on dosage size, time? I've seen recommended from 50-100, i chose to air on the side of "safety" by going with the lower dose. my question is is it really that much safer then doubling what i posted. Suggestions on work out changes? I'm trying to bust off some fat build some muscle. I chose winstrol b/c of its cutting ability and its ability to lower SHBG much more than other steroids.

worst case I'll hold off on the winni till i can get some test-e to stack with it a few weeks from now...





Link to old thread:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=383301

[Akrobatik]

First of all you havent posted your stats. Age? Weight? BF%?

Second, running just winny is dumb. You need to run it with testosterone because running just winny will shut down your natural test levels.

Third, if this is your first cycle than dont stack. Run Test E for 12 weeks and see how your body reacts to it. You dont want to stack and mess up your body.

[Alphatier]

First of all you havent posted your stats. Age? Weight? BF%?

Second, running just winny is dumb. You need to run it with testosterone because running just winny will shut down your natural test levels.

Third, if this is your first cycle than dont stack. Run Test E for 12 weeks and see how your body reacts to it. You dont want to stack and mess up your body.

Agreed

[Lecent83]

If you check the "Old Thread" i have my stats, regime, and diet posted as well as a week old pic of myself atm.

The 12 weeks of test-E is starting to look better and better.

[Alphatier]

var wouldn't be bad, but personally I like for someone to be dedicated enough to drop to 15%bf or below naturally just to make sure they have diet and training tweaked sufficiently for the next step.

That's from your old post.

Why don't you take the advice people are giving you on dropping your bf first, then cycle? First of all it'll benefit you more(less sides...), and secondly,as Big stated, it'll show if you can stay commited to a diet, and that will pay off in the long run.

And you're asking about winny, but afterwards you state "the test cycle is looking better and better" ??

[Immortal Soldier]

Winny above 15% is a waste unless you want some sterngth gains, you aren't going to get the full effects you would if your bf% was lower (10-12%)

[Lecent83]

I'm not taking shit till i feel 100% about it, hence why I'm bouncing this around the board and reading as i go. Search button here isn't as effective as i expected and it is taking me a while to dig thru stuff to find the info I'm looking for. You've seen the pic i have a little ways to go. as soon as i can get my hands on Test-E (probably 6 weeks from now) I'm going to follow the advice here and do the 12 week cycle and watch gyno, etc. See how my body handles it.

I am still very interested in winstrol, I'll just have to put it off for some months. maybe my second cycle 6 months or so out.

You guys are the pros when it comes to gear, I'm just here picking the brains and digging the forums.

[Immortal Soldier]

I'm not taking shit till i feel 100% about it, hence why I'm bouncing this around the board and reading as i go. Search button here isn't as effective as i expected and it is taking me a while to dig thru stuff to find the info I'm looking for. You've seen the pic i have a little ways to go. as soon as i can get my hands on Test-E (probably 6 weeks from now) I'm going to follow the advice here and do the 12 week cycle and watch gyno, etc. See how my body handles it.

I am still very interested in winstrol, I'll just have to put it off for some months. maybe my second cycle 6 months or so out.

You guys are the pros when it comes to gear, I'm just here picking the brains and digging the forums.

That's cool, just saying your better of with test only, winstrol is better for those who are already relatively lean and want to get that "muscle cut" look, some users have used it above 15% bf but for strength purposes.

Depends on your goals man, if this is your first cycle stick with test only.

[c-Z]

That's cool, just saying your better of with test only, winstrol is better for those who are already relatively lean and want to get that "muscle cut" look, some users have used it above 15% bf but for strength purposes.

Depends on your goals man, if this is your first cycle stick with test only.

+++1 on test only.... definitely benefit you better.