Havoc or Epistane

[spickidy]

Which will produce better mass gains , Havoc or Epistane? I know they are the same chemical and have known about epi since it came out but someone told me that havoc is better.

[POPS]

for what I have read, both of them are used in a cutting cycle and are both mild on your system. I have tried h-drol this past Jan. and loved it. My 2nd cycle might be Havoc. For mass look into m-drol by cel. I have heard good things about it.......jmo....

[spickidy]

I was just wondering if one is better than the other for cutting or bulking. I am not looking to gain a lot of mass right now just want to look more fit for the spring and summer. I live 20 mins outside of Detroit and we only get about 4 months to enjoy really nice weather.

[TheJuicer]

Havoc = Epistane....same stuff...

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

before i decided to do AAS instead of pro whore moans i was considering havoc/epistane and trust me half of the users say havoc and half epistane, i read so many cycle logs its rediculous, its the same $hit

[POPS]

I was just wondering if one is better than the other for cutting or bulking. I am not looking to gain a lot of mass right now just want to look more fit for the spring and summer. I live 20 mins outside of Detroit and we only get about 4 months to enjoy really nice weather.

were not too far apart here, brother ( chicago ) so I know what u mean. When I used h-drol in Jan I used it in a cutting cycle and loved it. But now after I went through the entire cycle with proper training, diet, cardio, etc., if I decide to cycle this again I will def. up the dosage. I was dropping a pound a week from Jan 5th to Feb 28; looking leaner and denser going into the 3rd week where you really feel it kick in. You feel pumped up all the time by now. How bout your stats? Diet and cardio play it big here, bro.

[spickidy]

I am actually going to do P90X and am debating on taking a ph/ps during. I want to keep it fun as hitting the gym day in day out is getting old. I am 5'9" about 170 9% bf and am 24. I want to increase my cardio and I hate cardio and need to increase flexibility for the occassional bar fights. If I have a program I will stick to it and I am going with P90X to switch things up and to put more polymetrics into the mix. I figured epi would give me an extra boost during the program and this will be my first cycle of anything.

[RATTLEHEAD]

first cycle = go with havoc or h-drol. you will be happy with both. What the hell is P90x? As a rule of thumb, instead of posting supplement names from now on, post their chemical make up or ingredient list. There's just entirely too many products out there to know what they all are by name.

[POPS]

first cycle = go with havoc or h-drol. you will be happy with both. What the hell is P90x? As a rule of thumb, instead of posting supplement names from now on, post their chemical make up or ingredient list. There's just entirely too many products out there to know what they all are by name.

hey brother! I think that P90x is that trainig program on cable youll see at 3am like infomercials....personally, at 24, 170 and 9% bf. id want to put some size on......jmo...

[RATTLEHEAD]

lol oh ok. hahaha. my bad.

[spickidy]

I am in Wing Chun kung Fu and do not want too much size just flexibility, speed and want to keep getting stronger, I would be ineffective at above 185. Would not be able to do alot of the movements and techniques. When I was at a ripped 190 2 years ago my range of motion was limited and I want to be at the Master level in the next 2 years. I want to do P90X to switch things up and keep it fun. I know it is a infomercial but it is legit and I just want to try something new. Put Bruce Lee and Ronnie Coleman side by side and most girls would say that Bruce has a better body.

[qwerty33]

epi man