educated responses welcome

[noworriesman]

i am new to gear. not the gym. 26, 190lbs, 10% bf ask any other stats i will share.
just started
20mg anavar per day
500mg test enanthate per week
300mg eq per week.

eq and test should run 12 weeks then following with four weeks of winstrol. at probably 5omg per day. (oral)

absolute ultimate goal is cutting and shredding. i have trained many diffrent ways for years. natural strength hit the wall, so i think.

i had been eating squeaky clean, restricted calories, mad cardio. bodybuilding friend told me i was all wrong.

workout was:
weight train 5-7 days a week. 2 muscle groups per workout 10-12 sets each group. was 10 repping all sets or pyramiding. 20-25 minutes elliptical trainers 3-4 days per week and road running 1-2 miles per day 3-4 days per week.

i was told i was doing too much cardio, chewing up muscle, carbs were too low.

interested to see ideas on cutting. weight training and cardio recommendations.

cardio before or after workout? ultimately if i could get the unreal results of building muscle and burning fat i would but, being real i will settle for fat burn.

will the injections be more effective twice a week or at certain times?

[Phate]

i am new to gear. not the gym. 26, 190lbs, 10% bf ask any other stats i will share.
just started
20mg anavar per dayvar dose is too low IMO
500mg test enanthate per week
300mg eq per week.
what is your height? how do you know your 10%bf?
eq and test should run 12 weeks then following with four weeks of winstrol. at probably 5omg per day. (oral)

absolute ultimate goal is cutting and shredding. i have trained many diffrent ways for years. natural strength hit the wall, so i think.

i had been eating squeaky clean, restricted calories, mad cardio. bodybuilding friend told me i was all wrong.
i would like to see your diet in detail, amounts macros etc for a day
workout was:
weight train 5-7 days a week. 2 muscle groups per workout 10-12 sets each group. was 10 repping all sets or pyramiding. 20-25 minutes elliptical trainers 3-4 days per week and road running 1-2 miles per day 3-4 days per week.
that's not that bad
i was told i was doing too much cardio, chewing up muscle, carbs were too low.
this is possible
interested to see ideas on cutting. weight training and cardio recommendations.

cardio before or after workout? ultimately if i could get the unreal results of building muscle and burning fat i would but, being real i will settle for fat burn.

cardio after workout unless doing it on an empty stomach, bold^^^^^^^^

[T-MOS]

is this your first cycle?

how tall are you?

you are not going to see anything from the eq at that dose for that length

also you need to run the test at least a week longer then the EQ, but first cycles should be kept to ONE COMPOUND ONLY

[bjpennnn]

first cycle run 500mg of test 12 weeks

[Lightsout2184]

20 mg of anavar ur just wasting ur money. still need ur height

[noworriesman]

6'0"
i have to run to the gym right now actually, i did want to run a somewhat low dose for i am fairly lean and vascular and do not want to blow up like a freak in front of my girlfriend.

i have two sources deep within the body building community giving some insight when they have time. with the health industry and credible sources 100% contradicting one another on a daily basis, this is why i am searching for info.

i will post detailed diet info when i get back. im down for source checking. i wont lie on not being overly prepared. i have done my research, mostly. i have also been told the info i have gathered is shit. as a matter of fact, this EXACT WEB FORUM was made fun of like a friars roast. im just saying how i do not know what to believe but, i feel i should gather all the information i can and hopefully use that to make some educated decisions.

thank you for the quick replies. i will help you help me soon

[noworriesman]

10-11% by calipers and one of those electro what the **** ever machines some douche trainer at my gym let me try. it actually read the same as calipers. sorry, no water displacement test yet. oh, and first cycle should be 500mg test per week. yep. read that 1000 times myself. maybe we could do without simple replies of everyone else's standard.

i ran eq only for 4 weeks prior to this like a dumbass with no sides other than increased appetite so, if i get anything i imagine it would be from the test

yeah, i have read 80-100mg for anavar. now tell me why? no offense but, you probably can not in fact tell me why. are you just repeating what you have read? i had a god damn manufacture tell me not to take more than 20mg a day because everything that people (on these forums as a direct reference) had was not good var.

just trying to sort the shit guys. understand the frustration. thanks again

[Big]

var under 80mg/day and eq under 600mg/week are pointless, imo. you should just run a proper test cycle and see how you respond.

[Big]

yeah, i have read 80-100mg for anavar. now tell me why? no offense but, you probably can not in fact tell me why. are you just repeating what you have read? i had a god damn manufacture tell me not to take more than 20mg a day because everything that people

now I need to justify my opinions? my advice is based on many years of personal experience. I've got a good idea, go talk to the manufacturers instead of us.

[noworriesman]

var under 80mg/day and eq under 600mg/week are pointless, imo. you should just run a proper test cycle and see how you respond.

every post i have read says 4-600mg of eq. over 600 is pointless. so i have read

[Big]

every post i have read says 4-600mg of eq. over 600 is pointless. so i have read

you're right bro, you have all the answers. are we done here? I know I am.

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

also when you come back you never answered is this your first cycle?

[(1*)]

your problem is not knowing what to believe and the only way for you to know for sure is to trial and error yourself. you will not satisfied with recomendations (this is obvious from your replies to those who have given the pointers you asked for)

try this and if it doesn't work then try that.

btw... these guys know their shlt.

[noworriesman]

now I need to justify my opinions? my advice is based on many years of personal experience. I've got a good idea, go talk to the manufacturers instead of us.

you did not understand me, i am not trying or going to discredit anybody. i am not arguing. i am asking my friend. everyone is to quick to get pissed off on web forums. i dont know how more clearly i can ask questions and tell you the things i have read/ been told and we discuss it.

and yes, anyone should be able to back up their intell. i can pawn bullshit off all day as fact if you like

[noworriesman]

yes first cyle. have not left yet. was not trying to piss anyone off. i know nothing obviously and i am looking to you guys because you do. that is why i am here.

[(1*)]

yes first cyle. have not left yet. was not trying to piss anyone off. i know nothing obviously and i am looking to you guys because you do. that is why i am here.

no... your manufactures know.

[Lightsout2184]

bro its simple if i could get away with 20mg of anavar then i would only take that much. how about this just take 20 mg and then when u cant even feel it then u can put a testimonial on here

[Lightsout2184]

and the people u know deep in the body building community are probably tools. my one homeboy won the us nationals and i have another one who had done real well competing. i wouldnt take any gear advice from either one of them.

[D7M]

20mg of var a day is great...



if you have a vagina.

[T-MOS]

big is 100% correct on his statements. The information we give is from PERSONAL experience.....I have ran EQ at lower doses and got nadda from it.

Personally I will NEVER run EQ again even at 600, but with others "EXPERIENCE" 600 for no less than 14 weeks is the ideal for EQ use

NOW, being your FIRST cycle, then if you want to do it correctly so that you can build your OWN experience then you need to do a basic TEST ONLY cycle so you can see how your body reacts to it!

Using more than ONE compound on your first is rather stupid as how will you have a clue as to what is doing what to your body? How will you know if you are getting bad side effects from the Test or maybe the EQ or maybe the VAR???

How will you know you are getting NOTHING from 20mgs of VAR if you are also using other compounds which will also be adding to your gains????


here you go, read and run this:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

I doubt the manufactures are using it the way WE plan on using it or using it in combination that we use it

Manufactures will tell you that Sust, and Test E can be shot once every OTHER week, as that is what they were made for
they were made for LOW DOSE TRT
But as bodybuilders we adapt them to OUR needs and using at higher then TRT doses they need to be shot EOD for sust, and twice a week for test E

see if the manufacturers will tell you that

[noworriesman]

thank you t-mos. ok. i have been persuaded to do test only. for my curiosity, how long is an effective anavar cycle? seems like it would be pricey. could i still do the winstrol at the end of my test?
also i have tamoxifen citrate injection recommended at 80mg week 1-4 60mg week 5-9 and 30 mg week 10-12. followed by toremefine citrate drink. what do you think of that?

[Phate]

i wouldn't even recommend you cycling at 6'0 and 190lbs, lets see a pic

[doctorclaus]

y not phate?

[Phate]

y not phate?

because of what i stated, 190lbs at 6'0 isn't that big, i would like to see a pic to see if he is anywhere near his natural potential

[T-MOS]

he could probably squeeze another 20 lbs out naturally if his diet was set to do so !

[Phate]

he could probably squeeze another 20 lbs out naturally if his diet was set to do so !

at least 20lbs

[noworriesman]

i would give you a pic but, my last name on my chest. any calorie intake at or above my maintenance leads to exponential fat gain. i have the ability to put on body fat like no other.

i do not do heavy leg lifts, weight could easily be gained there. knees are bad and cant find pants with a small waist and big thighs so i have been 10-15 rep on legs for about 18 months now.

best strength gains i have made were from one month of 5x10s followed by one month of 5x5s and one month of 3x6s. max bp has never surpassed 290. best barbell curl 140. my form is stellar. no swing. i honestly thought i was at my natural potential. then again my workout could be stale.

here was my diet, close to of course

6am four egg whites, 1 slice ham, jalapenos, banana peppers, 1-2 slices wheat toast, spray butter. sometimes a bowl of cereal, (in addition) or sometimes power bar or met rx bar
930am chicken salad or chicken breast and banana
1200p one can tuna, 100 calorie yogurt, half cup of rice. not always though
2-3p protein shake and apple maybe a lunch meat sandwich.
this is where structure lacks. i get home from work, manual labor hot as hell all day job,
430-530 sometimes chicken breast or chicken on wheat, handful prunes
or protein bar
whenever 7p lets say- post workout shake
8 or 9p chicken or fish with black beans or half cup brown rice. rarely vegetables.

diet for past two weeks
6am 4-6 whole eggs, 1 cup oatmeal, apple
930 2 chicken breast, half cup of rice
1200 1 can tuna, piece cube steak, half cup of rice (brown always) sorry
afternoon 2-3-4 proshake chicken or lunch meat sandwich
before work out 5-6 1 cup oatmeal, chicken or steak
after workout shake
dinner- fish or chicken, sometimes carbs, some not 2 tbsp peanut butter

i may graze a little here and there. a nutrigrain bar, bowl of cereal. things like that. im trying to reach for the meats instead. i buy all clean foods but, the roomate's shit is always around.

no soda, no alcohol. downfall is sweets. dont purposely cheat much because i will dig into some cookies or something probably twice a week (not binging, lately anyhow) so i dont feel i deserve a cheat.

[doctorclaus]

if you want to gain that weight make it look like this

1- 11 egg whites with jalapenos and peppers bowl of fruit a cup of oatmeal and a steak if possible 10 oz

2- 2 bananas tuna or chicken salad and protein shake

3-VEGETABLES! 16z grilled chiken full cup of rice

train

4-protein shake and a protein bar beef jerky

5- fish or chiken steak whatever just get some meat in your stomach and again VEGETABLES!!!!

6- PROTEIN SHAKE OR WHATEVER HAS PROTEIN IN IT

TRY TO GET B6, B12 FOLIC ACID AND DRINK WATER!!! LOTS OF IT YOUR KIDNEYS SUFFER FROM PRTEIN SO DONT LET THEM GET THIRSTY!! REMEMBER YOUR MUSCLES ARE MADE UP FROM WATER TOO.....

you get what im saying try to stay full at all times your body wont have the need to store fat bc u have a constant intake nutrients and energy (stay away from bad carbs) ex:
bread, cookies, chips, junk food etc

at the gym low reps heavy weight switch up your work outs to shock your muscles and make them grow

sorry im really not goin into detail with anything but i hate typing

ohh i almost forgot SWEET POTATOES ARE THE SHIZNIT
cheers

[eatrainrest]

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