Testo effects.. Say what?

[shabby]

So I've been on testo 500mg/week (250mg / 3.5 day) since tuesday the 17th of march. This is my very first cycle. I've held my calorieintake between 4000-5000 every day, made sure I have like 200g proteins every day, and I've kept up my hard workout routine. Been working out for 4 years, 1.83cm tall and 95kg in the morning.

After these weeks I feel no different. Like 9 weeks has passed. I've maybe had 2 extra pimples, a bit increased libido, but I cannot see a single gain in mass. What the hell is going on?

Checked my bloodwork, and the doc couldn't give me any specific numbers, only that my S-Testosterone was above the normal range (>50). My friend which im cycling with had the same results (and no visible-, nor weight gains)

Is my gear semi-bunked, or have any of you experienced this before?

[busaboy27]

u been injecting olive oil...... even with your calories up u should have gained off of the food too.. and your protein is low.. 4000-5000 calorie diff per day is alot.. think your diet is messed too

[D7M]

sounds like the gear is bunk.

you'd at least have libido increase.

no need for 5,000cals, unless you wanna gain fat

[CHAP]

post up a pic of your gear bro.

And in the us the dr has to give you copies of your records if you ask for thm

[sigman roid]

bunk gear or seriously under dosed imo

[shabby]

Mm I can ask for copies (live in Norway), but it only says >50.
I know 4-5k is a lot. It's around the 4k range mostly. Every study done says 200g proteins is more than I need, so I feel pretty safe there.

500mg / week underdosed? I followed the newbiecycle from Steroid.com. I'll see if I can fix a pic.

[busaboy27]

underdosed as in potency of the test... and unless u weight 100 pounds 200 grams proteins not enough... obviously your doing something wrong in your diet cause if i ate 4000 calories everyday sonce march 17th i would have gained 10 pounds

[busaboy27]

i dont know how u can get 4000 calories with only 200g protein that means all thse calories are fat and carbs... go to the diet section and get on a diet.. and then get some real test

[sigman roid]

as busa said when i say under dosed i do not mean 500mg is not enough i mean the gear you have may be under dosed meaning there may not be as much test as there should be in that 500mg

[shabby]

200g proteins means 20% of my diet is proteins. Every study I've read find that 1.5g proteins / bodyweight is the max amount your body can use while _gaining weight_ (not trying to lose weight), and I'm above 2g. I've gained what I normally gain while bulking like this - meaning like 2-3kg, nothing more. Not everyone wants to be skinny, man. My maintainance is around 3k kcal every day including my workout, so I'm bulking around 700 kcal / day.

Here's pics:

EDIT: Removed pics.


Edit:

as busa said when i say under dosed i do not mean 500mg is not enough i mean the gear you have may be under dosed meaning there may not be as much test as there should be in that 500mg

Yea, thats what I mean with semi-bunked. It says it should be 250mg/ml, and I've done 2ml a week. So I guess its fubar.

[busaboy27]

what are you talking about? your diet is all out of wacked.. based on how you are telling me.. 20% percent of your calories is protein ya thats a great diet.. how u supposed to gain... i eat 400g of protein a day with 3500 calories.. so like i said u need a diet

[busaboy27]

you above 2g of protein per pound body weight do you understand what your typing.. your not 100 pounds

[shabby]

No, man, its per kg bodyweight. 4-5g proteins per kg bodyweight does not help you gain more, and it's great if you want a low carb diet or if you want to lose weight while staying full. I've gained nicely the last few years doing what I do.

Quick example:
Int J Sport Nutr. 1991 Jun;1(2):127-45.
Protein and amino acid needs of the strength athlete.
Lemon PW.
Applied Physiology Research Laboratory, Kent State University, OH 44242.

(...)The debate regarding optimal protein/amino acid needs of strength athletes is an old one. Recent evidence indicates that actual requirements are higher than those of more sedentary individuals, although this is not widely recognized. Some data even suggest that high protein/amino acid diets can enhance the development of muscle mass and strength when combined with heavy resistance exercise training. Novices may have higher needs than experienced strength athletes, and substantial interindividual variability exists. Perhaps the most important single factor determining absolute protein/amino acid need is the adequacy of energy intake. Present data indicate that strength athletes should consume approximately 12-15% of their daily total energy intake as protein, or about 1.5-2.0 g protein/kg.d-1 (approximately 188-250% of the U.S. recommended dietary allowance). Although routinely consumed by many strength athletes, higher protein intakes have not been shown to be consistently effective and may even be associated with some health risks.

There's many more, been researched a lot on that subject. 1,5g is usually enough while gaining, while 2g is better while trying to lose weight while maintaining muscle.


But back to the original post: Anyone recognize the pictures, or see something that's off?

[chuckt12345]

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[alpmaster]

Don't worry about the protein, it's the fact that you are apparently eating 4,000-5,000 calories a day and have not gained anything. 4 - 5 k calories is a lot of freaking calories, and I just plain don't think you're eating that. Because even if you were eating 5,000 calories and only 1 gram of protein, you would still gain weight, all be it fat. So post up your diet, because bunk gear or not, there is just no way in hell you are eating that much and not gaining anything unless you are doing an insane amount of cardio or are a very extreme case of an ectomorph.

[captaincharles747]

Intersting

[shabby]

Last summer I ate 5000 kcal every single day for 3 months. It's not very difficult, only in the first couple of weeks. 4-5k now is probably a bit of exaggeration, but I always hit the 4k mark. With 5k I gain more fat.

As I said earlier, I've gained 2-3 kg's (5-6 pounds) during this "cycle". Of course I gain weight when I eat more than my body needs. What this is about is that all I've read everywhere is people putting on 10-12kg in 3 months on cycle. Maybe mine hasn't really kicked in yet, but I'd have to gain like 2kg a week to catch up, heh. More likely that it's bunked or of very low quality. Eating a lot is not supposed to hinder my gains. I understand that many of you are obsessed with sixpack and keeping your BF low, but I don't mind bulking until I feel big enough to cut down. I'm probably a mix between endomorph and mesomorph.

My diet is something like 200g proteins, 130g fat and 450g carb (20/30/50). Quite normal bulking diet, although some go 5% up in proteins and 5% down in carb, if they want less bloat.

An easy way to hit 4k:
3 toast (450 kcal)
2 whey protein shakes with 5dl milk (700 kcal)
300g mixed nuts (1700 kcal)
Pasta and with meatsauce (1k kcal)
2 bananas (120 kcal)

That amounts to over 200g proteins, over 400g carbs and rest fat (nuts are rich on fat)

[8iron]

Probably seriously underdosed, just ran into the same problem up it to 750 mg a week, and noticing some gains, wont be ordering from them again!!!

[chuckt12345]

id say its bad gear

[shabby]

Okey, guys, thanks. I'll be talkin to the guy who sold me this shit. I guess I'll try to knock it up to 750mg / week for my last 3-4 weeks, just to see if I see any difference.

Guess I have to acquire some new testo (and probably dbol to kickstart this time) and try again.

[Nicotine]

that diet sucks ass.......

sure it's an easy way to hit 4000+ cals, but they are not really any quality cals.....

also, in your picture - as per the rules, you need to edit out the lab name.....

[busaboy27]

la la la la...

[shabby]

that diet sucks ass.......

sure it's an easy way to hit 4000+ cals, but they are not really any quality cals.....

also, in your picture - as per the rules, you need to edit out the lab name.....

Sorry, didn't know. I'll remove them.

What is your definition of quality cals?

[busaboy27]

i told u but u didnt want to listen... ur diet is all wacked.. post up in the diet section and they will help you in there

[chuckt12345]

you go up in strength? i always have a easier time telling how im reacting to juice by A). my strength increase on bench
B). what i look like in mirror

im on prop right now and really havent gained but 5lbs but i know its kickin from what i look like and not by the scale.

[shabby]

I've gone a little bit up in strength, yeah, and my libido has been increased somewhat. Not too easy to find changes in the mirror, since I end up looking in it several times a day, but measuring arms and chest and such, I find some, but little change. Maybe 1 cm up in armsize in 9 weeks on test, while bulking.

I think it's "working", since my testo levels are above normal, but I agree with some of the people that posted here that says the vials are underdosed. That would explain a lot.

[SilverTest]

bunk gear

[Critical Mass]

I saw the pic earlier,and its the same as I use. I have always had great results with it. I have tried tren a,prop and now npp. Not test e,so I cant say if its good to go or not.

[shabby]

i told u but u didnt want to listen... ur diet is all wacked.. post up in the diet section and they will help you in there

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...32#post4644432

[shabby]

I saw the pic earlier,and its the same as I use. I have always had great results with it. I have tried tren a,prop and now npp. Not test e,so I cant say if its good to go or not.

Hmm, interesting. I'll stay on it anyway, nothing to lose, really. And probably up the dosage 50%. I'll let you know how it turns out.

[busaboy27]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...32#post4644432

ok.. u listened.. lol...

[shabby]

ok.. u listened.. lol...

Yep. Mind specifying what's wrong with my diet now? Since youve been all up in my grill since I started this thread.

[chuckt12345]

a normal day would be pizza and lasagna?

[shabby]

Probably better to post in the other thread. And no not necessarily, it's an example. I could just as well replace lasagne with chicken and rice. But Lasagne works fine, too. Why?

[busaboy27]

lol.. let the diet guys show u.. i just helped to get you in that section ...