225 Ibs, starting cycle

[turkey901]

started cycle 1 week before Deca, Sust, before pics attatched, training hard for 3 years natural, diet atleast 250 grams of protein per day, I weight 225 Ibs, legs is my strong point, they grow really fast, so I train them only once a week with only squats, going to run a cycle for 10 weeks

what do U think my bodyfat is? I can barely see my 4-pack on the top although I have some fat

Decided to run 3 bulking cycles and then cut, what do U think? Planing to go for atleast 250 Ibs on those cycle

by the way I am 18
Pics:
0 weeks/0 weeks/2weeks/3.5 weeks

[D7M]

bro, at 18yrs old no one will condone a cycle for you.

you have so much natural test right now you can make great gains with a solid diet and training regiment.

what are you planning on running, out of curiosity?

[CHAP]

bro, at 18yrs old no one will condone a cycle for you.

you have so much natural test right now you can make great gains with a solid diet and training regiment.

what are you planning on running, out of curiosity?

I have to agree 100% IMO I don't think it should be done til 25 . I was 26 or 27 before I ever ran and then I should have naturally lifted another year 1st.

[turkey901]

week 1-10 Deca 400 mg (2ml)
week 1-10 Sust 500 mg (2ml)
week 11 nothing
week 12-14 PCT
I train hard and wright and eat wright and woult like to besome a PRO, I thaink I have pushed out as much as I could in last 3,5 years, as from the first day in gym I started whith proper diet and training program.
By the way I started at age 15 weighting 130 Ibs and it was ****en hard to reach my current 225, before cycle, and now, after a week, 228 Ibs, I havent ever even tried alcohol nor cigarete, bodybuiulding is my way of living and lean 230 Ibs is my goal!!!

[Jfew44]

week 1-4 Dianabol 35 mg ED
week 1-10 Deca 400 mg (2ml)
week 1-10 Sust 500 mg (2ml)
week 11 nothing
week 12-14 PCT
I train hard and wright and eat wright and woult like to besome a PRO, I thaink I have pushed out as much as I could in last 3,5 years, as from the first day in gym I started whith proper diet and training program.
By the way I started at age 15 weighting 130 Ibs and it was ****en hard to reach my current 225, before cycle, and now, after a week, 228 Ibs, I havent ever even tried alcohol nor cigarete, bodybuiulding is my way of living and lean 230 Ibs is my goal!!!

A pro what?

[turkey901]

bodybuilder lol

[turkey901]

what do U think might be my bodyfat?

I'l also post pictures in the end of my cycle

[verino]

16%ish

[T-MOS]

How tall are you?

What is the specific reason you want to SHUT DOWN your natural hormones which are at their PEAK levels NOW!! and risk them NOT coming back????

do you know or care about your Growth Plates, which do not fuse until your mid twenties??

Do you realize that by using steroids NOW you risk premature fusion of your growth plates??

does that not matter to you???

[Big]

No offense bro, but looking at your upper body I can't even tell that you lift, or I wouldn't think you've been at it for long. you certainly haven't approached your natural potential. There is no definition between your delts and upper arms, no real cuts or size anywhere. I think you need to scrap the cycle and tweak your diet and training, you could go MUCH farther than you are without steroids.

[turkey901]

I am 6.0 tall

Ok, it isn't easy to grow mega muscle at age 15-16, my diet and training are perfect, I train with fitness instructor who does bodybuilding shows recently, so diet and training are check

Even though think I'm ready and with proper diet and training could gain a lot and get close to 250 in the end of this cycle. Also going to keep every pound gained as much as it is possible

[Lightsout2184]

I am 6.0 tall

Ok, it isn't easy to grow mega muscle at age 15-16, my diet and training are perfect, I train with fitness instructor who does bodybuilding shows recently, so diet and training are check

Even though think I'm ready and with proper diet and training could gain a lot and get close to 250 in the end of this cycle. Also going to keep every pound gained as much as it is possible

bro u need to wait. even if u were 25 ur not anywhere near ready.

[BIG_TRUCK]

I think you have a solid base for your age, need more training, and to young for using still.

You need to forget about trying to get to 250lbs, and focus on becoming a lean 205lbs first.

[Big]

good luck, keep us posted on your progress.

[Phate]

I am 6.0 tall

Ok, it isn't easy to grow mega muscle at age 15-16, my diet and training are perfect, I train with fitness instructor who does bodybuilding shows recently, so diet and training are check

Even though think I'm ready and with proper diet and training could gain a lot and get close to 250 in the end of this cycle. Also going to keep every pound gained as much as it is possible

i doubt this from the pic, i would like to see the diet in detail

[remotely queued]

i doubt this from the pic, i would like to see the diet in detail

i'm with this guy. what do you eat on a normal day/training day?

[turkey901]

my four meals are 200 grams chicken breast with 250 grams of rice
before bed time cottage cheese 200 grams
1 protein shake in betweek meels (during day)
that is 6 meals total
+ I eat whatever I want in addition to wahat was mentioned before (a lot of extra callories) because stying lean isn't my priority at this moment

[Phate]

my four meals are 200 grams chicken breast with 250 grams of rice
before bed time cottage cheese 200 grams
1 protein shake in betweek meels (during day)
that is 6 meals total
+ I eat whatever I want in addition to wahat was mentioned before (a lot of extra callories) because stying lean isn't my priority at this moment

thats not a diet, nor is it detailed

how bout writing everything you eat, amounts and macros included tomorrow for critique, what you are doing now is not a good way to diet as you are saying, well as long as it get x amount of chicken and rice, i can cheat all the rest of the time, not a good idea bro

[turkey901]

Ok, that cheating you call it is a slice or two of chease, fruit, a peace of cake once in 3 days I think, yogurt, and that may be it
but I dont eat that after 7 pm, since I usually go to bed at 11 pm, before bedtime I eat cottage cheese (0,5 % fat)
Don't do any cardio

[alpmaster]

Trust me dude, you're not doing everything right. The old pic of my in my avatar is me training and dieting after two years, if you were doing everything right from day 1 for three and a half years, you wouldn't look like that.

Come to the diet forum and we will help... trust me, unless you just started, you are doing something wrong.

[D7M]

Don't do any cardio

that's an issue as well.

at your age even minimal cardio should serve you nicely.

[turkey901]

the only thing you have from what can i see from your picture(not too much) is your hands
Otherwise you look like a match

[DSM4Life]

Ok, that cheating you call it is a slice or two of chease, fruit, a peace of cake once in 3 days I think, yogurt, and that may be it
but I dont eat that after 7 pm, since I usually go to bed at 11 pm, before bedtime I eat cottage cheese (0,5 % fat)
Don't do any cardio

We can tell from your pic that you aren't doing cardio. And trust me, its not serving you very well.

[turkey901]

will do cardio in a year when cutting. Just don't see a point now.
have 3 bulking cycles to go before a cutting cycle.

[C-MaN]

i understand that you are trying to bulk.. but you definitely need to get rid of some of that fat and put on some nice size and wait about 5 years before you even consider AAS bro. Go to the diet section like Phate suggested and get your self in check.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=75729

[turkey901]

Why does everyone believe that gaining muscle mass is better when having low bodyfat? Is it just from estetic point of view or my muscle wont grow if I keep some fat meanwile while bulking?

[Big]

Why does everyone believe that gaining muscle mass is better when having low bodyfat? Is it just from estetic point of view or my muscle wont grow if I keep some fat meanwile while bulking?

for one thing the higher your body fat% is the more likely you are to suffer estrogen related sides on cycle.

[DSM4Life]

Why does everyone believe that gaining muscle mass is better when having low bodyfat? Is it just from estetic point of view or my muscle wont grow if I keep some fat meanwile while bulking?

It shows lack of diet.
You say "I want to bulk up then cut down" but do you really know how to "cut down?" Your going to put on all this weight, try a dramatic diet then lose most of the muscle that you gained with the cycle.

...........

Now its your turn to tell me im wrong and that you have a perfect diet. You just choose to be fat right now.

[turkey901]

You may have a point but I have tamoxifen if neccesary BIG

I think while cutting I wouldn't loose muscle if using Tren for example

[Phate]

You may have a point but I have tamoxifen if neccesary BIG

I think while cutting I wouldn't loose muscle if using Tren for example

you're right, but anyone can cut on tren, i want to know if you can cut without using AS as a crutch

[SnaX]

18 years old? GTFO!
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. In fact it means you shouldn't!

Where is everyone's brains at lately?
I get done with school and it seems that, more than ever lately, a lot of new people are in a huge rush to get where?

Obviously in it for the LOOKS and not the enjoyment of the activity.
Training/Bodybuilding is a life-long enjoyment. There is no rush to 'get on'.


Bro, you are way more than welcome to hang out on the boards and get all the knowledge that will keep you safe. We all much rather support you in your natural endeavor bro!
It's a community, and responsibility and discipline is a huge part of it.
Make the right choice and wait, we'll always be here to shoot the sh!t with you on the forum!

[LexusIS09]

week 1-4 Dianabol 35 mg ED
week 1-10 Deca 400 mg (2ml)
week 1-10 Sust 500 mg (2ml)
week 11 nothing
week 12-14 PCT
I train hard and wright and eat wright and woult like to besome a PRO, I thaink I have pushed out as much as I could in last 3,5 years, as from the first day in gym I started whith proper diet and training program.
By the way I started at age 15 weighting 130 Ibs and it was ****en hard to reach my current 225, before cycle, and now, after a week, 228 Ibs, I havent ever even tried alcohol nor cigarete, bodybuiulding is my way of living and lean 230 Ibs is my goal!!!

umm.. I didn't read this entire thread... because it seems pretty pointless.. but if you're planning on running this cycle I'd fix it...

after your last shot of sust in week 10... take 3 weeks off, and then start PCT. Sust has the cyp-ester in it buds.. gotta let it clear up those suppressive compounds from your system prior to starting up PCT.

.... oh and... you defs need to work on upper body, chest, biceps, triceps, abs, and your overall definition and symmetry is pretty horrible. (hopefully you take this as a grain of salt, keep working hard.. but just some weak points I thought I should point out) goodluck

[LexusIS09]

Now its your turn to tell me im wrong and that you have a perfect diet. You just choose to be fat right now.

hahahahahahahha.

[C-MaN]

Is this kid for real?? Saying he wants to run tren at 18 yo? Im done with this thread.

[remotely queued]

it's like you're trying to make your body work like a fighter jet when it is more like a porta potty with roman candles taped to the side of it

*diet*run*

i know i'm new to this site but im not new to working out. it's all hard work, steroids won't get you around that fact.

[turkey901]

No carter, Tren was an example if choose to cut, but as I said I am going to bulk on those weekest steroids for a year+ , and I think that when I'm atleast 20 y/o, then I might consider Tren as a cutting drug.

[turkey901]

And does everyone agree that there should bee 3 weeks off before PCT after Sustanon?

[alpmaster]

First off, what the hell do you mean by 3 bulking cycles then a cutting cycle? You realize the only way you end a bulking cycle is by doing a cutting cycle, unless you just stop and actively try to maintain the exact weight and body composition.

The problem isn't that you have no idea what you're doing to your ugly body, it's the fact that you're completely oblivious to your mistaken "knowledge".

[scerpico22]

i took a good look at both pictures...and there is no way those two pics are of the same person. in pic 2 of the upper body...look closely at the shorts...there is zero bulk in the thigh are. now way its the same guy in the photos...

IMO...

[youngmuscle123]

No offense bro, but looking at your upper body I can't even tell that you lift, or I wouldn't think you've been at it for long. you certainly haven't approached your natural potential. There is no definition between your delts and upper arms, no real cuts or size anywhere. I think you need to scrap the cycle and tweak your diet and training, you could go MUCH farther than you are without steroids.

COMPLETELY AGREE! Your training and diet is far from perfect because if they were for 3 past three years you would look completely different. With a "perfected" diet you would see better results in 6 months than you have in three years...not trying to be a dick but it is the truth. Your bodyfat is too high and you are not big enough to start a cycle. Definitely need to do some research on putting on size naturally because once you can do it naturally then you will get your money's worth with a cycle. Otherwise you might as well send me a few hundred dollars because guaranteed with your current diet/training you will lose all gains post-cycle.