First cycle advice

[jackjackson]

Im getting ready for my first cycle.
Its been awhile since I been on here, just busy with life and stuff and the gym still.
Did one last natural bulk, which I will be resting a week before starting this cycle.
So thats about 5 1/2 years natural training.
Now my goal is to put on as much mass as possible.
So far this is what I have on hand

Arimidex 1mg/ml 20ml (Liquid)
Nolvadex 20mg 100 tabs (pills)

Dbol 25mg/ml 20ml (Liquid)
dbol 10mg 82 (pills)
Deca 200mg/ml 20ml (Liquid)
Deca 300mg/ml 10ml (Liquid)
Test E x4 250mg/ml 10ml (Liquid)


I was trying to locate some HCG but had no luck.

This is my first cycle and I want to gain as much mass as possible.
Looking to do 12-16 weeks.

Any advice or PCT ideas would greatly be appreciated.
Thanks again guys.

[Matt]

I would stick to a 12 week cycle of test...

[T-MOS]

It would help to know your complete stats

First cycle should be kept to ONE compound only, a single ester test, so that you can see how your body reacts to it. you take 2 or 3 different things, and you will have no clue what is doing what to your body both good and bad

[Papa Smurf]

YEP! one compound only on first visit to the dark side

[jimmyinkedup]

hey jack ...been a while welcome back. As stated why not go with a test e only 500mg/week 10-12 week cycle. adex on hand. Also id use nolva/clomid pct. Wait till next cycle for deca ..if u really really feel u have too dball first 4 weeks or so ok ...but id honestly stick to a straightforward test only cycle (even no dball). You will not be disappointed.

[Papa Smurf]

Swap some of your deca with a fellow bro for another bottle of test e 250. Then run a 500mg ew cycle of that for 10 weeks.

[Papa Smurf]

Didnt see the x4 : My bad. So run it 12 weeks.

[BritishColumbian]

I was so happy with my first Test only cyle that I made my 2nd cyle the same. Great gains and minimal sides. Just try it and see, you can always do more but you can never do less

[jackjackson]

Thanks guys.
I knew I was gonna hear this, nothing wrong.
I totally understand, I just wanted to be able to put on some size with the deca.
I had some of this for over a year, hopefully won't go bad ( i assume).
Need to order some more stuff, ughh
I know the dec and dbol was more a intermediate cycle.
Just be about another half a year before I can touch the deca now lol

[jackjackson]

Sorry stats are
25, 5'8 185 probably about 12-13% bf, previous I was 6-7% bf at 160
I went from 160 to 185 in my current bulk cycle.
If any of you remember I was pretty much in contest condition for about 9 months and figured since Im not competing I'd put on some muscle.
Also competed in 2008

[Matt]

Imo you'll add a shit load of size with just the test bro...

[jackjackson]

Thanks that is my goal
Advice here well taken

[jackjackson]

Looks like I just need to order from lion.
Is he still getting negative reviews.....

[BritishColumbian]

You will get huge, just make sure your diet and training are in check. No drinking on cycle...lol

[jackjackson]

Im very very strict on my diet.
Haven't really even cheated on my current bulk.
Tired of the damn rice and beef.
I use whole food as much as possible.
I've done some logs here.

[jackjackson]

Should I use the dbol as a kickstart or save them or just use test to see how my body reacts since that will be the only compound?

[T-MOS]

some will say yes, its ok, some will say NO, stick to just the one

its up to you, you will get a lot of water retention from the dbol, but it will give you a kickstart in strength until the test e would kick in

check out this thread: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

[jackjackson]

I don't mind the bloat, but I would like to also see my bodys water retention reaction to test e, im sure its no where near dbol.
If I can technically gain more being on dbol for a kickstart, sure thats fine.
I also know its all water weight.
But If im gonna gain the same size amount via test e say 4-5th week.
Also It may be better for my type of job to blow up a bit over 4-5 weeks vs a week, I really do not want to raise eyebrows and my professional workplace.
I think I will just stick with test e then even though Id like to blow up, id also be able to gauge my bodys reaction to test alone
Thanks for that thread think, Its been over a year since I started reading up on this due to giving myself some more time as a natural.

[T-MOS]

^^ well, there ya go, there's your answer then

keep us posted on the cycle and GOOD LUCK

[jackjackson]

Will do, here was my current natural bulk diet

I modified it a bit each week based on how I felt.
Right now Im at 1 cup brown rice per meal where as I was 1.5 before.
Also Off the creatine and added a banana at am.
Used the ALRI mass stack (2nd time using it, works great BTW), creatine mono, beta-alanine, betaine.
Size and strength went way up, last week currently, then i will rest a week for this next real cycle.
Anyway, i quite modifying my diet because its almost over.
Weights- 5x a week
Rest- 2x per week.



http://roadtobodybuilding.com/Meal_Plan- Bulk Rest Days 4.pdf
http://roadtobodybuilding.com/Meal_Plan- Bulk Workout Days 4.pdf
http://roadtobodybuilding.com/Meal_Plan- Bulk Workout Days 5.pdf


Thanks again for the help

[jackjackson]

My diet will be the same, probably with some variations but overall I like to keep it the same and make small modifications.
Asparagus is my vegetable of choice, love the directic effect and easy to eat and transport as I steam it fresh daily.
Im pretty anal with my food and other supps.

[NT1946]

I am currently on my first cycle

80 mg winn per day (tabs)
100 mg primo per day (tabs)

I am seeing some results but nothing like I expected. I am only doing an 8 week cycle and will try to do another cycle of something that gets more results. Do you have any advise on what would be a good second cycle?

[T-MOS]

I am currently on my first cycle

80 mg winn per day (tabs)
100 mg primo per day (tabs)

I am seeing some results but nothing like I expected. I am only doing an 8 week cycle and will try to do another cycle of something that gets more results. Do you have any advise on what would be a good second cycle?

Yes, the best advice is to Start your own thread with this question and NOT someone else's thread

this will get you more responses.

[NT1946]

so sorry, new to this, my appologies

[T-MOS]

so sorry, new to this, my appologies

no biggie... you will get better and more responses to your specific questions as this thread has already been answered

[jackjackson]

Thanks T-MOS
Probably will go with 1-12 test e 500mg/week
Think I should up it to 750 or just the basics for my first cycle?

[jackjackson]

Still researching others threads to find any answers regarding 750mg or 500mg.

[T-MOS]

Still researching others threads to find any answers regarding 750mg or 500mg.

Why on earth would you feel you need 750mgs? Especially on a first cycle?

I am on my 8th or 10th cycle and have never gone over 600 mgs/week

More is NOT always better when it comes to steroids. In fact just the opposite is true. You want to use the least amount possible to get the most gains.

FOOD if MORE important for gains then high doses of AAS

Stick with 500 for as long as you can.......

[marcus300]

500mgs first time, see how you react before upping the dose.

[jackjackson]

So far found these threads

Will add as I see needed because im sure im not the only one looking for this info

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=380581&highlight=test-e

[jackjackson]

Thanks for the info, Just had to ask.
Someone I knew actually wanted me to pyramid all that gear on first cycle (Yeh seriously)
I know more is not better, Just wanted to get a solid answer, seen it around some threads here and what not.
Will do 500mg, thanks again guys

[jackjackson]

Just order some Clomid and Clen.
Ordered the clen just to have really, no plans yet on using it.
So I should have everything except HCG.
So everything should be set and I will keep everyone up to date along with photos and such.

[stpete]

You'll be good with 500mgs imo. Good luck man and have fun.

[bakie]

Definitely, good luck... Push weight

[bakie]

I have to applaud your patience you seem to have had it down long before you went to the so called dark side.

[jackjackson]

Yes, I actually wanted to start my First year but I listened to a friend who is a national level BB.
If it wasn't for him and his advice id probably have done it.
Also after I found this board gave me some good info as well.
I can't imagine how I would even gain much if i did it my first year based on 0% knowledge of nutrition.
Now I got the food and other basics down.
So yeah in the long run it has paid off, but I don't care if you do cardio or juice or bulk, it all means nothing if you don't understand how and why to feed yourself and understand what and why you are eating this vs that.

[jackjackson]

For anyone that wants to see what I look like in the end of 2008

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=364997

Since then I cut a bit more, and bulked x1. So im bigger a bit.
Have some lagging body parts I need to work on, in due time.
I give myself another decade to be where I want to be at.

[jackjackson]

Thanks again for everyones advice
T-MOS, that link has some photos in it if you wanna see where im at before starting

[jackjackson]

Should I front load or keep it basic?

[jackjackson]

Bump