3rd Cycle - Thoughts?

[GTOne]

5 10
40 yrs old
195 lbs
~ 11% bf

prior cycles:
one too long ago to even consider
last one was 600 mg test and 400 mg of Deca for 12 weeks

looking to do a solid, fairly low dose cycle to get some good lean mass and maybe lose a little bodyfat, nothing too drastic. on TRT so no PCT.

weeks 1 - 10:
400 mg test / week
200 mg deca / week
50 mg winnie / daily (weeks 1 - 7 only)

Deca is really there for the joint / tendon support only as winnie really dries me up.

also have ai and nolva just in case. will add if needed.

[Dancer]

How were your results on the 600mg test and 400mg deca?

[chuckt12345]

id run it out to 12 wks or 14
and hit the winny the last 6 wks of cycle

[seriousmass]

What's up old-timer? lol.

I actually like the cycle. At your age running those three compounds together at a low dosage will produce great synergy imo.. here's how i'd modify it though:

1.) What type of test are you going to use? Prop is the best for cutting, but should be shot at least 4 times a week. I'm assuming you're probably going to use Cyp, since that's probs what you're on for TRT... and with that long ester I'd definitely extended the test for 12 weeks, rather then 10.

2.) I'd run the deca for 12 weeks also & would increase the dosage to 250-300mg. IMO 200mg is the bare minimum to see therapeutic results from deca.

3.) I'd run the winstrol from (weeks 5-12) so that you're as shredded as possible once you return to TRT dosage. ( I really like backloading a cycle with winny... because the deca will be helping your joints out by week 5 through week 12 = perfect time )

This is how the cycle would look if I ran it:

Test 400mg x 1-12 weeks
Deca 300mg x 1-12 weeks
Winny 50mg ED x 5-12 weeks

(then return to TRT dosage in week 13)

If you ran it the way I proposed I'd think you could gain 10 pounds of lean muscle mass, and potentially cut down a couple of percent of BF

hope that helps old man!

[GTOne]

How were your results on the 600mg test and 400mg deca?

results were great. gained 20 clean lbs. did not do pre and post bf %, but felt a bit leaner through the waist. my blood pressure raised a bit, and i am not wanting to gain that much more weight. would rather add lean muscle and drop some fat (net gain around 5 to 10 lbs).

[GTOne]

What's up old-timer? lol.

I actually like the cycle. At your age running those three compounds together at a low dosage will produce great synergy imo.. here's how i'd modify it though:

1.) What type of test are you going to use? Prop is the best for cutting, but should be shot at least 4 times a week. I'm assuming you're probably going to use Cyp, since that's probs what you're on for TRT... and with that long ester I'd definitely extended the test for 12 weeks, rather then 10.

2.) I'd run the deca for 12 weeks also & would increase the dosage to 250-300mg. IMO 200mg is the bare minimum to see therapeutic results from deca.

3.) I'd run the winstrol from (weeks 5-12) so that you're as shredded as possible once you return to TRT dosage. ( I really like backloading a cycle with winny... because the deca will be helping your joints out by week 5 through week 12 = perfect time )

This is how the cycle would look if I ran it:

Test 400mg x 1-12 weeks
Deca 300mg x 1-12 weeks
Winny 50mg ED x 5-12 weeks

(then return to TRT dosage in week 13)

If you ran it the way I proposed I'd think you could gain 10 pounds of lean muscle mass, and potentially cut down a couple of percent of BF

hope that helps old man!

wow - you have no idea how the old man comments hurt - lol

good comments. I would love to add more deca, but it appears awfully hard to get right now. I have run it at 200 mgs before and did, at least, get some joint relief. in regards to finishing with the winnie as opposed to starting with it, i was hoping to kick start this thing for the immediate impacts while the test and deca kick in. Also, since we are already in the summer, was hoping to get stay as dry as possible. However, I like what you are proposing...

[Dancer]

results were great. gained 20 clean lbs. did not do pre and post bf %, but felt a bit leaner through the waist. my blood pressure raised a bit, and i am not wanting to gain that much more weight. would rather add lean muscle and drop some fat (net gain around 5 to 10 lbs).

I think you will do well with the low dosage cycle.

I just hate winny. If you are using low dosage deca for joint issue the winny addy is an oxymoron. What I mean is it will contribute to dry joints and general joint pain.

Get prior liver and kidney panel done if you are dead set on winny.

Masteron IMHO would be better and does not have to go through the liver.

[seriousmass]

wow - you have no idea how the old man comments hurt - lol

good comments. I would love to add more deca, but it appears awfully hard to get right now. I have run it at 200 mgs before and did, at least, get some joint relief. in regards to finishing with the winnie as opposed to starting with it, i was hoping to kick start this thing for the immediate impacts while the test and deca kick in. Also, since we are already in the summer, was hoping to get stay as dry as possible. However, I like what you are proposing...

Aw man. I was totally kidding about the old-timer thing. You're have good size for your age. and an excellent BF. haha, sorry

K i understand what you're saying about my proposed cycle though. 200mg is honestly fine.. at your age (sorry - it sounds awful i know) but when you're older the body can often respond even better to these compounds. 200mg may be more then enough for you, seeing as you have only run 2 previous cycles.

I'd still backload the winny man... if you're looking for a kickstart I might throw some Test-Prop into the mix... how do you feel about this cycle:

Test-Prop (weeks 1 - 5) @ 100mg x 4 times a week
Test-Cyp 400mg x 1-12 weeks
Deca 200mg x 1-12 weeks
Winny 50mg ED x 5-12 weeks

I love the look of that cycle. Great gains could be made from it

[chuckt12345]

200mg should be plenty to keep join pain away even with the win added

[seriousmass]

I just hate winny. If you are using low dosage deca for joint issue the winny addy is an oxymoron. What I mean is it will contribute to dry joints and general joint pain.

No man, you've got it all wrong. He's using the deca to STOP the sides from the winny.

Deca + winstrol = one of the most common combo's of AAS. GREAT synergy between the two.

[inky-e]

id run it out to 12 wks or 14
and hit the winny the last 6 wks of cycle

^^ agreed...and I'd up the deca to 300 at least.

[GTOne]

Aw man. I was totally kidding about the old-timer thing. You're have good size for your age. and an excellent BF. haha, sorry

K i understand what you're saying about my proposed cycle though. 200mg is honestly fine.. at your age (sorry - it sounds awful i know) but when you're older the body can often respond even better to these compounds. 200mg may be more then enough for you, seeing as you have only run 2 previous cycles.

I'd still backload the winny man... if you're looking for a kickstart I might throw some Test-Prop into the mix... how do you feel about this cycle:

Test-Prop (weeks 1 - 5) @ 100mg x 4 times a week
Test-Cyp 400mg x 1-12 weeks
Deca 200mg x 1-12 weeks
Winny 50mg ED x 5-12 weeks

I love the look of that cycle. Great gains could be made from it

Thanks SM. I am used to the old man thing - especially since I just turned 40...

I like everything in this. Only thing I will drop is the test-prop. Can't get my hands on Prop.

Thanks all for your comments / suggestions!

I am now changing my screen name to old timer - jk

[inky-e]

Thanks SM. I am used to the old man thing - especially since I just turned 40...

I like everything in this. Only thing I will drop is the test-prop. Can't get my hands on Prop.

Thanks all for your comments / suggestions!

I am now changing my screen name to old timer - jk

You're still a baby Bro...I got ya beat!!

[crazyjoe2344]

id run it out to 12 wks or 14
and hit the winny the last 6 wks of cycle

bump

i agree with this 100% great idea iMO its what i do