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    Exclamation Cycle: NCAA Drug Testing Help!!!

    We get tested during summer camp (which is our "Hell Week"), which starts in the middle of August and was wondering what would be my best choice for a cycle. I have run Test E and Prop before. I have also used some prohormone/designer steroids. I was thinking of running some Prop with Superdrol or possibly Winny, but I am concerned with the Drug Test. Test Suspension looks like the best choice since it stays in your body for a few days. However, 2 shots per day is extreme! What do you guys think? I'm looking mainly for strength gains which will help me with explosion and speed. I'm not really concerned with gaining weight dramatically since I play corner.

    In regards to masking agents, do you guys know if they test for them specifically? I saw on their list that says the following:


    31.2.3.4.1 Drugs and Procedures
    Subject to Restrictions.
    The use of the following drugs and/or procedures is subject
    to certain restrictions and may or may not be permissible,
    depending on limitations expressed in these guidelines
    and/or quantities of these substances used:
    (Revised: 8/15/89)
    (a) Blood Doping. The practice of blood doping (the
    intravenous injection of whole blood, packed red
    blood cells or blood substitutes) is prohibited, and
    any evidence confirming use will be cause for action
    consistent with that taken for a positive drug test.
    (Revised: 8/15/89, 5/4/92)
    (b) Local Anesthetics. The Executive Committee will
    permit the limited use of local anesthetics under the
    following conditions:
    (1) That procaine, xylocaine, carbocaine or any other
    local anesthetic may be used, but not
    cocaine; (Revised: 12/9/91, 5/6/93)
    (2) That only local or topical injections can be used
    (i.e., intravenous injections are not permitted); and
    (3) That use is medically justified only when permitting
    the athlete to continue the competition without
    potential risk to his or her health.
    (c) Manipulation of Urine Samples. The Executive
    Committee bans the use of substances and methods
    that alter the integrity and/or validity of urine samples
    provided during NCAA drug testing. Examples of
    banned methods are catheterization, urine substitution
    and/or tampering or modification of renal excretion
    by the use of diuretics, probenecid, bromantan or
    related compounds, and epitestosterone administration.

    (Revised: 8/15/89, 6/17/92, 7/22/97)
    (d) Beta 2 Agonists. The use of beta 2 agonists is permitted
    by inhalation only. (Adopted: 8/13/93)
    (e) Additional Analysis. Drug screening for select nonbanned
    substances may be conducted for nonpunitive
    purposes. (Revised: 8/15/89)

    However, it doesn't really say much about them on their "List":

    NCAA Banned-Drug Classes
    2008-09
    The NCAA list of banned-drug classes is subject to change by the NCAA Executive Committee. Contact NCAA education services or www.ncaa.org/health-safety for the current list. The term “related compounds” comprises substances that are included in the class by their pharmacological action and/or chemical structure. No substance belonging to the prohibited class may be used, regardless of whether it is specifically listed as an example.
    Many nutritional/dietary supplements contain NCAA banned substances. In addition, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) does not strictly regulate the supplement industry; therefore purity and safety of nutritional dietary supplements cannot be guaranteed. Impure supplements may lead to a positive NCAA drug test. The use of supplements is at the student-athlete’s own risk. Student-athletes should contact their institution’s team physician or athletic trainer for further information.
    Bylaw 31.2.3. Banned Drugs
    The following is a list of banned-drug classes, with some examples of substances under each class. No substance belonging to the banned drug class may be used, regardless of whether it is specifically listed as an example.
    (a) Stimulants:
    amiphenazole methylenedioxymethamphetamine
    amphetamine (MDMA, ecstasy)
    bemigride methylphenidate
    benzphetamine nikethamide
    bromantan pemoline
    caffeine1 (guarana) pentetrazol
    chlorphentermine phendimetrazine
    cocaine phenmetrazine
    cropropamide phentermine
    crothetamide
    diethylpropion phenylpropanolamine (ppa)
    dimethylamphetamine picrotoxine
    doxapram pipradol
    ephedrine prolintane
    (ephedra, ma huang) strychnine
    ethamivan synephrine
    ethylamphetamine (citrus aurantium, zhi shi, bitter
    fencamfamine orange)
    meclofenoxate and related compounds
    methamphetamine
    The following stimulants are not banned:
    phenylephrine pseudoephedrine
    (b) Anabolic Agents:
    anabolic steroids
    androstenediol gestrinone
    androstenedione mesterolone
    boldenone methandienone
    clostebol methyltestosterone
    dehydrochlormethyl- nandrolone
    testosterone norandrostenediol
    dehydroepiandro- norandrostenedione
    sterone (DHEA) norethandrolone
    dihydrotestosterone oxandrolone
    (DHT) oxymesterone
    dromostanolone oxymetholone
    epitrenbolone stanozolol
    fluoxymesterone testosterone2
    tretrahydrogestrinone (THG)
    trenbolone
    and related compounds
    Other anabolic agents
    clenbuterol
    (c) Substances Banned for Specific Sports:
    Rifle:
    alcohol pindolol
    atenolol propranolol
    metoprolol timolol
    nadolol and related compounds
    (d) Diuretics and other urine manipulators:
    acetazolamide hydrochlorothiazide
    bendroflumethiazide hydroflumethiazide
    benzhiazide methyclothiazide
    bumetanide metolazone
    chlorothiazide polythiazide
    chlorthalidone quinethazone
    ethacrynic acid spironolactone
    flumethiazide triamterene
    furosemide trichlormethiazide
    and related compounds

    (e) Street Drugs:
    heroin tetrahydrocannabinol
    marijuana3 (THC)3
    (f) Peptide Hormones and Analogues:
    corticotrophin (ACTH)
    growth hormone (hGH, somatotrophin)
    human chorionic gonadotrophin (hCG)
    insulin like growth factor (IGF-1)
    leutenizing hormone (LH)
    (all the respective releasing factors of the above-
    mentioned substances also are banned.)
    erythropoietin (EPO) sermorelin
    darbypoetin
    (g) Anti-Estrogens
    anastrozole
    clomiphene
    tamoxifen
    and related compounds
    (h) Definitions of positive depends on the following:
    1for caffeine—if the concentration in urine exceeds 15 micrograms/ml.
    2for testosterone—if the administration of testosterone or use of any other manipulation has the result of increasing the ratio of the total concentration of testosterone to that of epitestosterone in the urine to greater than 6:1, unless there is evidence that this ratio is due to a physiological or pathological condition.
    3for marijuana and THC—if the concentration in the urine of THC metabolite exceeds 15 nanograms/ml.

    Growth Hormone is on the list, but they can't test for it since there is no test, so I don't get what they mean by "Banned List". Do they test for everything they mention?

    Would taking HCG help as a Masking Agent? I'm looking at taking probenecid or bromantan, but I don't know if they test for them.

    And, does that Steroid Cleanse on this site really work for NCAA Testing?

    Thanks for the help.
    Last edited by athlete20; 06-10-2009 at 07:04 AM.

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    I'm lost did you say August?

    Quote Originally Posted by athlete20 View Post
    We get tested during summer camp (which is our "Hell Week"), which starts in the middle of August and was wondering what would be my best choice for a cycle.
    YOU CAN RUN ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE SURE WILL HAVE EVACUATED YOUR SYSTEM BY TESTING, AND NOT JUST THE TERMINAL HALF-LIFE, YOU'LL ALSO NEED TO BE METABOLITE FREE SO ADD AN EXTRA 2-3 WEEKS AFTER TERMINAL.

    I have run Test E and Prop before. I have also used some prohormone/designer steroids. I was thinking of running some Prop with Superdrol or possibly Winny, but I am concerned with the Drug Test. Test Suspension looks like the best choice since it stays in your body for a few days. However, 2 shots per day is extreme! What do you guys think? I'm looking mainly for strength gains which will help me with explosion and speed. I'm not really concerned with gaining weight dramatically since I play corner.
    YOU DO REALIZE MID-AUGUST IS ONLY A COUPLE OF MONTHS AWAY RIGHT? WHAT TYPE OF EFFICACIOUS CYCLE DO YOU THINK YOU CAN RUN, ADD PCT TO, EXPERIENCE 8 HALF-LIVES AND THEN CLEANSE FOR ANOTHER 2-3 WEEKS?


    In regards to masking agents, do you guys know if they test for them specifically?
    THEY 'GENERALLY' TEST FOR EVERYTHING THAT'S STEROID-RELATED, I.E. GEAR, PCT DRUGS, ANCILLARIES, STRONG PROHORMONES (1AD, METH, ETC.) WILL ALSO SHOW UP, AND IF YOU USE THEM SEE IF THEY CHECK FOR PERFORMANCE ENHANCERS AS WELL.

    IT MIGHT BE PRUDENT TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER TESTING...THAT IS IF YOUR INSTITUTION DOESN'T PARTICIPATE IN RANDOMS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.


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    Quote Originally Posted by magic32 View Post
    I'm lost did you say August?
    Yeah. They only test during camp and not the season or off-season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magic32 View Post
    Originally Posted by athlete20 View Post
    We get tested during summer camp (which is our "Hell Week"), which starts in the middle of August and was wondering what would be my best choice for a cycle.
    YOU CAN RUN ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE SURE WILL HAVE EVACUATED YOUR SYSTEM BY TESTING, AND NOT JUST THE TERMINAL HALF-LIFE, YOU'LL ALSO NEED TO BE METABOLITE FREE SO ADD AN EXTRA 2-3 WEEKS AFTER TERMINAL.

    Oh, ok. If I were to take Prop, how short can I take it for that I would benefit from it?

    I have run Test E and Prop before. I have also used some prohormone/designer steroids. I was thinking of running some Prop with Superdrol or possibly Winny, but I am concerned with the Drug Test. Test Suspension looks like the best choice since it stays in your body for a few days. However, 2 shots per day is extreme! What do you guys think? I'm looking mainly for strength gains which will help me with explosion and speed. I'm not really concerned with gaining weight dramatically since I play corner.
    YOU DO REALIZE MID-AUGUST IS ONLY A COUPLE OF MONTHS AWAY RIGHT? WHAT TYPE OF EFFICACIOUS CYCLE DO YOU THINK YOU CAN RUN, ADD PCT TO, EXPERIENCE 8 HALF-LIVES AND THEN CLEANSE FOR ANOTHER 2-3 WEEKS?

    Yeah, that's why I'm trying to figure out what my best choice to go with is. The thing is that I tore my calf about a month ago and i've lost weight, mainly from my lower extremities and my leg strength had greatly declined. I've been busting my butt since the end of last year and not this. So, I was thinking about running either some Test P or Superdrol for 3-4 weeks. Since we are only being tested during the summer, I could start the Test during the season.

    In regards to masking agents, do you guys know if they test for them specifically?
    THEY 'GENERALLY' TEST FOR EVERYTHING THAT'S STEROID-RELATED, I.E. GEAR, PCT DRUGS, ANCILLARIES, STRONG PROHORMONES (1AD, METH, ETC.) WILL ALSO SHOW UP, AND IF YOU USE THEM SEE IF THEY CHECK FOR PERFORMANCE ENHANCERS AS WELL.

    Oh, so what would be my best bet for the testing?

    IT MIGHT BE PRUDENT TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER TESTING...THAT IS IF YOUR INSTITUTION DOESN'T PARTICIPATE IN RANDOMS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
    Thanks.

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    holy christ they are not fooling around!! must cost them a fortune to do all that testing!!

    Why not try Anavar Does not stay in your system very long... good for strength and shaping

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninesecz View Post
    holy christ they are not fooling around!! must cost them a fortune to do all that testing!!

    Why not try Anavar Does not stay in your system very long... good for strength and shaping
    Yeah, if they actually "do" test for all of this, then they are spending a boat load of money. That's the weird part, everyone says that they mainly test for street drugs and that if there is a suspicion of steroid use, then they test specifically for it.

    Oh..how long does it stay in the body and what would be a good protocol to run it?

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    Christ that is a hell of a lot to test for. Must be a blood test right?

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    if it's just during camp they test. wait.

    why risk getting nailed, screwing your future, for a very short and pretty much useless cycle?

    why risk what you have worked for, just for a few weeks of gear use?

    seems kinda pointless..... as much as you may want the edge during camp - start ramping up your cardio, ramp up the diet a touch, and then during the season, use a bit of gear if you feel it's necessary.

    don't risk so much for so very little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicotine View Post
    if it's just during camp they test. wait.

    why risk getting nailed, screwing your future, for a very short and pretty much useless cycle?

    why risk what you have worked for, just for a few weeks of gear use?

    seems kinda pointless..... as much as you may want the edge during camp - start ramping up your cardio, ramp up the diet a touch, and then during the season, use a bit of gear if you feel it's necessary.

    don't risk so much for so very little.
    Very well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigershark View Post
    Christ that is a hell of a lot to test for. Must be a blood test right?
    You'd think, but no. It's urine so I have no idea if they actually do test for "everything" on the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicotine View Post
    if it's just during camp they test. wait.

    why risk getting nailed, screwing your future, for a very short and pretty much useless cycle?

    why risk what you have worked for, just for a few weeks of gear use?

    seems kinda pointless..... as much as you may want the edge during camp - start ramping up your cardio, ramp up the diet a touch, and then during the season, use a bit of gear if you feel it's necessary.

    don't risk so much for so very little.
    Yeah, that's what I'm thinking about right now. Would prob be better just to wait.

    The only reason why I want to run something is that I tore my calf a month ago and i've lost like 15lbs and my strength in my legs is going down..my legs are getting skinny..especially the calf. It's all deformed now and little. I know I'm not going to be as fast or explosive as before. So, I was thinking of running something quick to help me get at least something back. I was thinking of prob running M-Drol or H-Drol for 3 weeks and wait for the real gear until after the testing to carry me through the season. I don't want to show up to camp looking like a b**** and feeling like one. I don't want to lose my spot.

    Yeah, I feel you on waiting man. Man, it's a tough decision to make.

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