Dht's & Nor's ???

[eckstg]

I have been running across post where some peoples opinions of testosterones are not the AAS of their choices by saying its a mild steroid and you would be better off to just use it in a cycle with other compounds just to keep your other more anabolic compounds like DHT'S & NOR'S from shutting your own test production off or so you can get hard for sex.

From what i take from what i have read is that you always need to keep your test intake to atleast matching mg levels or higher of other compounds during cycles is this not correct?

I usually use this link for profiles of different types of AAS cause i really like how they give each type their own anabolic score among other things.As far as i can tell the highest score of one type is trenbolone enanthate with a score of 500 which i would guess making it the most powerfull AAS made.

Anyways i would like to find somewhere that would give descriptions of exactly what the difference is between DHT'S & NOR'S from testosterones and which compounds falls into which category.Anyone know where to find a breakdown of this?

[eckstg]

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[ziinus]

19-nor :
Nandrolone ( deca )
Trenbolone
Mibolerone ( cheque Drops )
Metribolone (methyltrenbolone )

In the dht we have :
Mesterolone ( proviron )
Drostanolone ( Masteron )
Oxymetholone ( anadrol )
Stanozolol ( winstrol )
Methenolone ( Primobolan )
Oxandrolone ( anavar )

Dht is a reduced form of test ( 5-alpha reduction ),
nor's are drugs derivated from natural nandrolone ( compared to test derivates, nandrolone derivates have one less carbon at the 19 positon, that why we call them 19-nor )

[jagdpanther]

From what i take from what i have read is that you always need to keep your test intake to atleast matching mg levels or higher of other compounds during cycles is this not correct?

I used to believe this, but I think all you really need is enough test to keep you feeling normal. I have never run across a study or science with a reason as to why one would have to run as much or more test then everything else your taking. I 'm running a low test / high tren cycle right now and love it.

[RobbieG]

don't forget MDHT


thats methylated DHT

makes you harder than stanaz

[jackman22]

Test doesnt cause your natural test from shutting down. The reason you use test is because your natural test shuts down (hence smaller testicles)so you have some form of test in you. But your right about it used to keep sex drive going. Trenbolone E is fina with the longer ester used so you dont have to shoot it ED and i wouldnt recomend that for a first cycle.

[yahya1966]

wow, finally an intelligent thread!
keep in mind the first rule of aas use, everyone responds to compounds differently. some people can run nor19s with little or no test, but most of us try to keep the test at least 100mg higher than the nor19 compound to keep our tallywackers working.

dht compounds are popular because they maintain healthy libido function and they also help increase the uptake of free test to receptors. there is also less aromatase activity because dht binds to the aromatase enzyme. remember that test converts thru 5-alpha-reductase activity to dihydrotestosterone (dht). dht compounds should taken with care by anyone who is prone to male pattern baldness or prostate issues.

[jagdpanther]

wow, finally an intelligent thread!
keep in mind the first rule of aas use, everyone responds to compounds differently. some people can run nor19s with little or no test, but most of us try to keep the test at least 100mg higher than the nor19 compound to keep our tallywackers working.
dht compounds are popular because they maintain healthy libido function and they also help increase the uptake of free test to receptors. there is also less aromatase activity. remember that test aromatizes to dihydrotestosterone (dht), but if ur taking a dht compound, the body will not see a need to convert anymore test to dht. dht compounds should taken with care by anyone who is prone to male pattern baldness or prostate issues.

Have you tried running test at lower doses with nandrolone or its derivatives? I know most of the people that say run test higher, including me at one time, never tried running test at a lower dose with nandrolone or tren. It is the prolactin and progesterone stimulation of nandrolnes that interfer libido and is responsible for the heavy shutdown. Cabergoline will help with the prolactin.

As for aromatization, Test aromatizes to estrogen via aromatase (specific enzyme for this process) and is reduced to DHT via either 5-alpha reductase or less commonly 5-beta reductase.

I'm not aware of any studies that show a negative feedback loop for DHT reduction. If you have some I would love to see them as I'm always willing to learn.

[yahya1966]

Have you tried running test at lower doses with nandrolone or its derivatives? I know most of the people that say run test higher, including me at one time, never tried running test at a lower dose with nandrolone or tren. It is the prolactin and progesterone stimulation of nandrolnes that interfer libido and is responsible for the heavy shutdown. Cabergoline will help with the prolactin.

As for aromatization, Test aromatizes to estrogen via aromatase (specific enzyme for this process) and is reduced to DHT via either 5-alpha reductase or less commonly 5-beta reductase.

I'm not aware of any studies that show a negative feedback loop for DHT reduction. If you have some I would love to see them as I'm always willing to learn.

thanks for catching the mistake, i didn't notice until after i had posted. no, i personally have not tried running the test at a lower dose. however, i do like to experiment on myself and will have cialis on hand if i do. will look for more references on dht.

[jagdpanther]

Cool yahya1966.
I thought the idea sounded a little crazy to me at first as well. It actually took two people, who I respected for thier knowledge, to recomend it to me before I tried it. So far I'm loving it. Granted I'm not ready to go 4 or 5 times a day like on high test but I'm good for 2 or 3 times a day, which practically speaking is more then I get anyway

[Swifto]

Taiboxa knows a lot about using testosterone as an HRT dose and higher doses of DHT's and 19-Nor's.

[jagdpanther]

Taiboxa knows a lot about using testosterone as an HRT dose and higher doses of DHT's and 19-Nor's.

That is one of the guys I mentioned earlier that I respect for their knowledge

[Property of Steroid.com]

I usually use this link for profiles of different types of AAS cause i really like how they give each type their own anabolic score among other things.

Glad you like them...

I wrote those profiles, if I'm not mistaken...

[Rex9933]

don't forget MDHT


thats methylated DHT

makes you harder than stanaz

i know this is old as hell, but is dht oral mast? (not methyl-mast (superdrol), oral mast)

[Hunter]

i know this is old as hell, but is dht oral mast? (not methyl-mast (superdrol), oral mast)

Dht is a family of steroids, winny, masteron, a-bombs are all dht's

[Rex9933]

i meant methyl dht. is that mestanolone?