Slight gyno, possibilities...

[TractionIssues]

A few days ago I was wondering if I had gyno, was feeling around and it seems then I didn't, but my nipples were puffier than usual (they have always been puffy) so I decided to take some Nolva. I followed WAR's thread and did 40mg ED, it's been 5 days. By the second day it seemed to slightly reduce it a bit, but now day 5 and it has flared up and i can actually feel small gelatin like balls behind them, even slightly sensitive. I'm not sure if I made it worse because I've been paranoid and checking them every day, but even though I've been taking 40mg Nolva ED it has actually got worse. (Unless I'm measuring it wrong, but it says 20mg/ml, and I am taking 2 ml orally, and yes lol it tastes like shit, kinda minty though)

I order some chems last weekend from a new site and noticed they had Toremifene and heard all the talk about how much better it is. Shipping is supossed to be 1-3 days, so if all goes well I should recieve it tomorrow or wednesday.

Anyone had experience with Torem for gyno?

Also my cycle is:

150mg Test Prop EOD
150mg Masteron EOD

Do you think it would be better for gyno if I shot these ED instead? Or also if I increased the masteron knowing that it is a slight anti-gyno?

Should I wait it out and it will probably go away during PCT?

Or lastly, should I just order some Letro and take care of it now? (Always found Letro to be too harsh imo)

Also have some Adex on hand, although I know it doesn't mix too well with Nolva.

[peachfuzz]

start pinning ED

Torem is as effective but you need higher doses. 40mg of nolva is the equivalent of around 120mg of torem. no need to switch from nolva to torem for gyno issues. its benefit is in HPTA recovery.

also i would begin the adex asap. when symptoms do subside drop the nolva and continue the dex.

it is not uncommon for the gyno to "flare" when implementing a SERM but at the same time there are some people whos gyno can become aggravated by SERMS.

[TractionIssues]

I just read that for a small population of people tamox can have a reverse effect and actually cause gyno pretty fast, I think this would the case for me, because I don't think I had it before I started taking it, i just took it out of paranoia. Does anyone know if this is the same case for toremifene/fareston?

[peachfuzz]

I think it wouldnt matter which SERM.

you have to remeber SERMS are actually weak estrogens themselves so in some instances they can make the situation worse.

I doubt thats the case tho as i said alot of people experience a "flare up" effect before it gets better. id give it a few more days and implement the dex immediately.

[TractionIssues]

K, thanks, didn't know it would get worse at the start, and then improve.

[TractionIssues]

How much Adex should I be running at the same time as the Nolva though? Thought they would weaken eachother?

[peachfuzz]

K, thanks, didn't know it would get worse at the start, and then improve.

for some people. like i said id give it a couple more days if it still doesnt improve or still feels as though it is worsening then consider dropping it.

How much Adex should I be running at the same time as the Nolva though? Thought they would weaken eachother?

.25mg ED should be enough. the combined benefit is still going to be greater then just running one or the other. you need the serm to handle circulating estrogen and the AI to prevent further aromatization.