Mesomorph...

[tcw]

I was studying some books and magazines...and viewing different body types of champion BB.

I notice that some like Dorian Yates, Arnold, Coleman, Haney...all seem to have a natural tendency to build Mass. (of course they do and did a lot of Juice)....But these guys are Naturally BIG!

What "enables" them to build muscle so easily...vs. someone with a Slight frame...ecotomorph?

-More Receptors?
-Joint Size?
-Tendons?

What is it?

[alpmaster]

What do you mean those bodybuilders have a natural tendency to build mass? Or that they are naturally big? Did you know them personally when they were natural, or what they did to get their size?

Bone structure helps overall size potential, reception of drugs, and also myostatin levels are a huge factor, although these are just a couple of factors...

[tcw]

Those bodybuilders i mentioned are obviously big in size naturally.

Look at Yates today. Yeah..he's a shadow of what he was...but look at him. He's still a big Mofo.

Look at Lee Haney. I saw Lee a few years ago...years out of retirement and he's still fvckin hugh.

Look at Arnold. Arnold is an old man and he's still a big MoFo.

Typically Mesomorphs have an easier time gaining mass.

Granted, Bone Structure and Joint size will enable them to lift more weight, but this doesn't explain why their muscles grow larger than those of a Endomorph or Ectomorph.

There mus be another factor that enables certain body types to gain muscle easier and faster than others...

[ninesecz]

Natural Genetics have the biggest influence on how big and thick someone can actually get! Dorian, Ronnie all of those guy were basically genetic freaks as i like to call them!! As far as me The biggest person in my family is 5'10" 155# I am 6' 260# on a bulking cycle... I have to eat and do everything I can because my body does not want to be this big. On the other hand, my best friend is as wide as a house and is fat right now but if he trained for a year i would guranatee he would have 20" arms and be a genetic freak himself. Just some people were made to be big with weight training and others were made to be small and ****** to shreds, all in the cards we were delt

[hankdiesel]

Life just isn't fair. I've been battling genetics my whole life. I'm an endomorph.

[tcw]

Yep...we always want what we can't have (sigh).

But....it would be nice to know what EXACTLY is the GENITIC gift that these guys were given.

NOTE: I remember a few guys from my youth who were WELL developed in their teens. I mean these guys were Hugh. Some of them...never touched weights. One guy in particular, never lifted weights (hated it) but did calistenics (sic) and practiced Martial Arts. The dude was HUGH. If he would have trained, no doubt, would have been a Top Ten Competitor.

QUESTION(s);
Were They Born with More Muscle Tissue?
Were They Born with More Receptors?
Do they produce more Test Naturally?

[ninesecz]

more test probably had nothing to do with it.
receptors ar a possibilty but overall genetics are the main component. genetics are a very vast set of features. bigger muscle bellies, larger frame and bone structure and many other things contribute to this to this! for instance there are pictures on the internet of when Ronnie Coleman just got out of the Police Academy! and he was bigger than most would ever hope to get even with steroids.. and he was completely natural at that point.
This is a fact because the police dept. would have not been able give him the job if he had used any steroids. on top of it he got drug tested and polygraph tested! If you can find the pictures you will see what good genetics are. With no special diet and only minimal training, he was still 220# with low bf% and still like a 19.5" arm. honestly he was amazing even without steroids and good training and diet......that is genetics

[alpmaster]

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Even discussing Test levels is neither here nor there. These genetics that play a role are largely due to skeletal frame and mostly, to myostatin levels. Myostatin is what stops you from gaining muscle no matter what training, diet, and steroid use allows. More test? Pro BBs have been using for a very long time, and are always on to get to where they are at, so that has nothing to do with it.

Look at Belgian Blue cattle:



Lifts weights? Nope. Eats a high protein diet? Nope. Steroid use? Nope. Myostatin gene mutation? Yes.

Same thing here:



Mouse on left is normal, mouse on right has a myostatin mutation.

Again, this along with a few other factors are the genetic traits that allow continued muscle growth, which is what we mean by "genetics". It has nothing to do with how many calories they need to grow or how much natural testosterone they produce, which is nil when they get to or are near pro ranks.

[ninesecz]

I love that freakin bull! That kicks ass he is just jacked to the max!!

[alpmaster]

Yeah, he must be a mesomorph..

[ninesecz]

If I was that bull I would be MR. Bulmypia rght now :LOL

[allnatural101]

^lol

[tcw]

Awesome post dude...thanks!

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Even discussing Test levels is neither here nor there. These genetics that play a role are largely due to skeletal frame and mostly, to myostatin levels. Myostatin is what stops you from gaining muscle no matter what training, diet, and steroid use allows. More test? Pro BBs have been using for a very long time, and are always on to get to where they are at, so that has nothing to do with it.

Look at Belgian Blue cattle:



Lifts weights? Nope. Eats a high protein diet? Nope. Steroid use? Nope. Myostatin gene mutation? Yes.

Same thing here:



Mouse on left is normal, mouse on right has a myostatin mutation.

Again, this along with a few other factors are the genetic traits that allow continued muscle growth, which is what we mean by "genetics". It has nothing to do with how many calories they need to grow or how much natural testosterone they produce, which is nil when they get to or are near pro ranks.

[tcw]

BTW....that mouse on the Right Is Jacked!

We can call him...."Mighty Mouse !!!"

haha...

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Even discussing Test levels is neither here nor there. These genetics grow or how much natural testosterone they produce, which is nil when they get to or are near pro ranks.