1st cycle help. yes I have read up quite a bit.

[Jookington]

30yrs old.
185 pounds.
6"0
prolly 10-12%bf not sure.
265 bench 6-8
95 curls 10reps. to give an idea.
Lifting seriously for 2 years and trained for 15yrs plus.
Heres my dilemma. I have a slight labral tear in shoulder and have worked with it for the past year and have continued to get stronger but has held me back. My goal is not to gain a huge amount of weight but stay more lean and cut then bulky and bloated. Need advice on a first cycle that could possibly aid my shoulder in recovery and make some nice definition gains. Don't really want to gain more than 10lbs. and drop some more bf% with not running the risk of serious side effects.
Have read alot about Deca, Test e and prop, anvar, but have run into an information overload. Hopefully someone can steer me in the right direction. Appreciate any help.

[sizerp]

What's your diet like?

[*El Diablo*]

Post your diet. I think thats where the issue is. U have a solid base to work from, but u need to get ur diet in check mate.

[Jookington]

My diet is pretty clean. Total calories might be a little low but lost a bit of weight from 210 to 185.
Probably consuming 1700 to 2800 calories a day.
Train in the morning on empty stomach with Superpump. Then drink a musclemilk and eat breakfast which is a standard of oatmeal, bananna, egg whites and wheat toast.
Usually a protein bar a couple hours later. Lunch 2 chicken breast brocolli bake potato. Another protein bar few hours later. And a protein shake before i go to bed. That is pretty much the standard for me.

[BJJ]

I don't think you have 10-12% BF, but a bit more.
Anyway, I am about to do my first cycle too with just test en 500mg W (2 shots).
I was advised to be the safest and easiest for a novice.
Good Luck

[*El Diablo*]

First issue, training on an Empty stummick in the morning, try and avoid replacing your meals with Protein bar's or shakes. Remember, its a supplement, u need to supplement your diet with the shake. U need to eat when u wake up, breakfast is very important it will help your body produce more insulin naturally. I tried to attached my DietPlanner but it doesnt allow me. So go and google one... They are very beneficial.

Good luck and eat BIG

[*El Diablo*]

Try and avoid doing a cycle as yet. Work on your diet at first, once u get that in check, you'll start growing well.

[BJJ]

How down should he go before a cycle, under your opinion?

[Jookington]

I don't think you have 10-12% BF, but a bit more.

I no expert on bf% and like i said it was a guess. Not here to prove anything with my bf% just trying to give someone with experience the best idea of where im starting with, hence a pic. I was measured only once a few years ago when i was about 210 and i think i was between 14-19% so I made a guess. But my real question is in regards to a AAS that could aid with my shoulder stability so i can gain strength to be able to do dumbell military presses again and upright rows and get more lean and ripped without drying out my joints with products like winny.

[*El Diablo*]

How down should he go before a cycle, under your opinion?

Down?...I guess you are reffering to weight? He doesnt seem asif he has an issue with weigth really, what i can understand about Jookington is that he wants to bulk up muscle as clean as possible. So once he has his diet in check, and understands the macros, then only would i start juicing, because without a proper diet, he wont grow and only waste his money.

Diet 70% - Training - 25% - Juice 5%

[BJJ]

You answered my question, I meant weight yes!

[BJJ]

I no expert on bf% and like i said it was a guess. Not here to prove anything with my bf% just trying to give someone with experience the best idea of where im starting with, hence a pic. I was measured only once a few years ago when i was about 210 and i think i was between 14-19% so I made a guess. But my real question is in regards to a AAS that could aid with my shoulder stability so i can gain strength to be able to do dumbell military presses again and upright rows and get more lean and ripped without drying out my joints with products like winny.

I just wanted to inform regarding my point of view, I understood you are not here to prove...
In the opposite case, I would not even replied to your message.

[*El Diablo*]

I no expert on bf% and like i said it was a guess. Not here to prove anything with my bf% just trying to give someone with experience the best idea of where im starting with, hence a pic. I was measured only once a few years ago when i was about 210 and i think i was between 14-19% so I made a guess. But my real question is in regards to a AAS that could aid with my shoulder stability so i can gain strength to be able to do dumbell military presses again and upright rows and get more lean and ripped without drying out my joints with products like winny.

Once again, it doesnt matter how much ASS u use, if ur diet aint right, then youll only do yourself more harm than any good. If u would like to "nurse" your shoulder. WRT to your shoulder issue, yes it might help, but first look into your form of doing Military presses and upright rows. Try and do your military presses seated, it will help you maintain form, and try and go lighter on your upright rows, try not to "thow" your weight forward. Even if u try and do them seated. Give it a bash and.... re your Winny. Stay WAYY clear of winny, if u want to do your virgin cycle then try running 1 type of ester Test. Test Enanth for 8 weeks, at 500mg/week , shots split up into 2 x week. Go read up on proper PCT.

[Jookington]

Once again, it doesnt matter how much ASS u use, if ur diet aint right, then youll only do yourself more harm than any good. If u would like to "nurse" your shoulder. WRT to your shoulder issue, yes it might help, but first look into your form of doing Military presses and upright rows. Try and do your military presses seated, it will help you maintain form, and try and go lighter on your upright rows, try not to "thow" your weight forward. Even if u try and do them seated. Give it a bash and.... re your Winny. Stay WAYY clear of winny, if u want to do your virgin cycle then try running 1 type of ester Test. Test Enanth for 8 weeks, at 500mg/week , shots split up into 2 x week. Go read up on proper PCT.

Thanks for the help. Have already been training light with my shoulder problems for awhile now and always work on form over weight I know from experience with my other shoulder from prior. So reading up on Test e i see that they say you should stack with equipose or tren but you suggest against this for first cycle of not stacking and going solo? Would anavar be a stack to go with Test e or a waste? I will have my diet more squared away when im ready for my cycle but would like to get the most out of my first 8 weeks and not be disappointed by not stacking with something else and Ive read that anavar is a mild AAS with little to no sides? And last but not least if so should you stack it with creatine to avoid cramps? Read something about this in another forum. Thanks again for the help.

[Matt]

It should be test only, but your diet is very very poor. Im not as tall as you, 5'10, and i consume 3500cals a day. You need to sort your diet before touching steroids...