First Cycle - D-bol or Winny - Suggestions

[tk26]

Hey everyone I have been reading on this forum for a while now and finally decided to take the plunge and do my first cycle. To start I understand that an oral only cycle is never recommended/suggested but i wont do injections, I have a couple questions or scenarios and were looking for some advice, thanks in advance!

Here are my stats ...
22 years old
162 lbs
Just under 6'
31" waist
41" chest
14" biceps
BF% - unknown, any ideas?

if you had to do an oral only cycle, for myself would you suggest d-bol or winstrol ... both will be about 4 week cycles with novelex/clomid as PCT

1) d-bol, i could definitly use some bulking but my issue is if i lose all or most of my gains there is no point. So even with a proper PCT should i be expected to lose all my gains or will i keep some?

2) winstrol, what type of effect will it have on my type of body, i understand the size gains will be nothing like those of dbol but there will be some size and strength gains, right? at the some time i will become more cut

what im wondering is will the size gains from winstrol with proper PCT be comparable to after dbol gains with proper PCT ... if this is the case then im thinking i should do winstrol, as the gains will be similar but it will also have a cutting effect!! what do you guys think, assuming these are the only 2 options

[D7M]

what do you guys think, assuming these are the only 2 options

neither.

go to the diet forum asap, and learn how to eat and train properly.

[Klimax]

Hey everyone I have been reading on this forum for a while now and finally decided to take the plunge and do my first cycle. To start I understand that an oral only cycle is never recommended/suggested but i wont do injections, I have a couple questions or scenarios and were looking for some advice, thanks in advance!

Here are my stats ...
22 years old
162 lbs
Just under 6'
31" waist
41" chest
14" biceps
BF% - unknown, any ideas?

if you had to do an oral only cycle, for myself would you suggest d-bol or winstrol ... both will be about 4 week cycles with novelex/clomid as PCT

1) d-bol, i could definitly use some bulking but my issue is if i lose all or most of my gains there is no point. So even with a proper PCT should i be expected to lose all my gains or will i keep some?

2) winstrol, what type of effect will it have on my type of body, i understand the size gains will be nothing like those of dbol but there will be some size and strength gains, right? at the some time i will become more cut

what im wondering is will the size gains from winstrol with proper PCT be comparable to after dbol gains with proper PCT ... if this is the case then im thinking i should do winstrol, as the gains will be similar but it will also have a cutting effect!! what do you guys think, assuming these are the only 2 options

You're too young and an oral cycle is not a good beginner cycle.

[tat2freak]

Why are newbs scared of a prick its easy and actually a lot safer than an oral from what a read I recommend you take nothing stay clear of roids orals a not the easy way and by no means for newbs. Just eat clean work hard diet! Diet is KEY!

[hornet_9]

For first cycle you can use only 20 mg d-bol ED fo 2 month.

And for PCT only Tribulus

[BG]

For first cycle you can use only 20 mg d-bol ED fo 2 month.

And for PCT only Tribulus

Please read only and dont give advice. Thanks.

[Mooseman33]

^^^^^bad advice.

please dont run dbol for 8 weeks and use tribulus for pct. that is 2 months u will be shut down with no test in ur system. u will lose ur gains as the pct is very weak.
it will be a waste while taxing ur system.

please go to the diet forum, those guys can put 20lbs on u in no-time by learning how to eat properly.
good luck bro.

[ninesecz]

I can only put this a few different ways for you to understand. It does not matter how lon you debate and plan about this cycle, Yiou are oing to waste your time and your money doing one of these for 4 weeks and within 4 weeks from when you stop (winny or D-bol) you are going to have already lost 75+% of what you gained and the other 25% will be gone shortly there after!@ Orals were not made to do cycles with and have keepable gains. They are used to "set up" your injectable cycle and get the gains coming while the compound you are injecting is getting ready to do its thing.. I know you do not want to hear this but if you are set on not doing needles, then you should get the wwhole concept of steroids right out of your head! Take your money and buy some creatine, good multivitamin, some nitric oxide and put the rest toward food! The Only Oral you could possily do and have it be worth your time and actually let you be able to keep what small amount of gains you make from it would be Ananvar. The only problem is to run it for 6-8weeks it will get very pricey. Honestly other than that there is no advice to be given to you about the 2 cycles you proposed. They are Wrong and i will not contribute to that

[Aodha]

I can only put this a few different ways for you to understand. It does not matter how lon you debate and plan about this cycle, Yiou are oing to waste your time and your money doing one of these for 4 weeks and within 4 weeks from when you stop (winny or D-bol) you are going to have already lost 75+% of what you gained and the other 25% will be gone shortly there after!@ Orals were not made to do cycles with and have keepable gains. They are used to "set up" your injectable cycle and get the gains coming while the compound you are injecting is getting ready to do its thing.. I know you do not want to hear this but if you are set on not doing needles, then you should get the wwhole concept of steroids right out of your head! Take your money and buy some creatine, good multivitamin, some nitric oxide and put the rest toward food! The Only Oral you could possily do and have it be worth your time and actually let you be able to keep what small amount of gains you make from it would be Ananvar. The only problem is to run it for 6-8weeks it will get very pricey. Honestly other than that there is no advice to be given to you about the 2 cycles you proposed. They are Wrong and i will not contribute to that

X2.... I know it's hard to hear but it's true. I was exactly the same...

[Reed]

Agreed with everyone else

I love saying and I say it so much but its so damn fitting...

why do you wanna be weak and on steroids? Why not achieve a respectable strength and weight level naturally

Head down to the diet and training session so we can critique what you got.

Or hell if you want this is your thread post what you got here. Bet I can tweak it faster than you know what hit ya

[c-Z]

Diet is key to growing

An oral cycle is an extremely poor choice. Dbol will shut down your natural test faster than reed can tweak your diet. LMAO