In PCT - ? about natty test.

[trueX]

Well I was done with cycle 8-1-09 and gave it 14 days till I started my PCT, so PCT began on 8-15-09 taking Tamox @ 40mg day, Clomid @ 50mg day and Aromasin @ 10mg a day.

So far im almost at the 4 week mark and I honestly still have very low test after 2 blood tests and no libido at all, and definately the ED problems. I was fine before cycle, and an animal during cycle, sometimes sex 1-3x a day. Now my GF doesnt really care but its embarassing to me and puts you in that mindset of "im a scrub that cant get it up"

I was under the impression that PCT is 4-5 weeks normally at most (havent read of many PCT's going longer with most getting 90% libido back in week 3 or so) and with me almost at week 4 shouldn't I be getting some type of libido back or something and the ED going away?

I was on a very minimal cycle of 500mg Test E weekly that was underdosed anyhow (during cycle levels were way lower than expected). Thanks, just wondering whats going on before I try to start getting some cialis. Id just rather fix the problem then keep adding in chemicals to make up for losses.

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[tboney]

Why the aromasin???

[trueX]

Well from the person I was talking to on here who seems to be held up in a good light, I listened to them and used it for PCT. Im taking the directed doses/substances that I was told to.

Do I not need it? If so I can surely cut it out

[tboney]

Did you use an ai during your cycle?

[trueX]

I had used nolva for about 2 weeks during cycle as I thought I was getting gyno but ended up just being paranoid and stopped it about week 5.5 and never used anything during cycle.

[tboney]

Did your blood levels indicate high levels of estr? I would think a pct of nolva and clomid would be fine. I am wondering if you have driven your estr too low with the aromasin?? That can cause some libido issues also. You might just need to give a little more time...... Are you sure your pct meds are legit?? You mentioned your test was underdosed???? Is this the same source as the pct meds??

[Swifto]

Did your blood levels indicate high levels of estr? I would think a pct of nolva and clomid would be fine. I am wondering if you have driven your estr too low with the aromasin?? That can cause some libido issues also. You might just need to give a little more time...... Are you sure your pct meds are legit?? You mentioned your test was underdosed???? Is this the same source as the pct meds??

Good questions.

What did the BW show, exactly?

Did you use HCG on cycle?

First cycle?

[trueX]

Doctor would only check my free test level, which was 242 and 212, normal is 2-800 so im just over the minimum. Im sure the PCT meds are legit, ar-r.com for all 3 PCT meds, got my Test from a buddy at the gym.

No HCG while on cycle, yes it was my first cycle.

[LizzardSecond]

My brother is having the same issues. Your PCT has everything that this site and many others recommend for a PCT. I just dont see any HCG.

Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
6 20mgs/day

There is also some info on this website that tells you of the risk of using the AI in your cycle.

*AI's are not always needed, especially if one has been used to control estrogen (aromatse activity) during the cycle. There is a high risk of lowering estrogen too low and that can bring its own side effects; Lowered labido, aching joints, poor cholesterol and can negatively effect the immune system. We need some estrogen, not alot, not zero, but one cannot afford a too low an estrogen level at this time of PCT.

I think you should start the HCG as stated above. This is the amount my doctor recommends.

He also says that you only have to do novaldex or clomid and doing both is not beneficial. This pct was just updated on the site and it used to have Clomid in it also. It was dropped from the PCT so I would drop it. Drop the AI and continue the Novaldex for a total of 45 days.

[TITANIUM]

Well I was done with cycle 8-1-09 and gave it 14 days till I started my PCT, so PCT began on 8-15-09 taking Tamox @ 40mg day, Clomid @ 50mg day and Aromasin @ 10mg a day.

So far im almost at the 4 week mark and I honestly still have very low test after 2 blood tests and no libido at all, and definately the ED problems. I was fine before cycle, and an animal during cycle, sometimes sex 1-3x a day. Now my GF doesnt really care but its embarassing to me and puts you in that mindset of "im a scrub that cant get it up"

I was under the impression that PCT is 4-5 weeks normally at most (havent read of many PCT's going longer with most getting 90% libido back in week 3 or so) and with me almost at week 4 shouldn't I be getting some type of libido back or something and the ED going away?

I was on a very minimal cycle of 500mg Test E weekly that was underdosed anyhow (during cycle levels were way lower than expected). Thanks, just wondering whats going on before I try to start getting some cialis. Id just rather fix the problem then keep adding in chemicals to make up for losses.

29
5'11
195

PCT is a little on the weak side.

clomid=100/50/50/50
Nolva=40/20/20/20

I would drop the aromasin.

It takes time to come back with the libido issue.

I would add some Vit E in there.(pct)

Then get your blood work done again.(couple of wks).

But Swifto is the pro pct vet here, so this is my opinion.

Best

T

[Swifto]

PCT is a little on the weak side.

clomid=100/50/50/50
Nolva=40/20/20/20

I would drop the aromasin.

It takes time to come back with the libido issue.

I would add some Vit E in there.(pct)

Then get your blood work done again.(couple of wks).

But Swifto is the pro pct vet here, so this is my opinion.

Best

T

Why is it weak?

Clomid at 25mg/ED has been shown to raise endogenous T by 146%. Its not weak by any means.

You also dont need Vit-E. Vit-E deficiency in humans is very rare indeed. Rats may need Vit-E (check Anthony's references), but humans, do not.

Dont always believe what you read from a "Guru". I though it too for a while. Validating an authors references can sometimes prove quite the contrary.

[Swifto]

Doctor would only check my free test level, which was 242 and 212, normal is 2-800 so im just over the minimum. Im sure the PCT meds are legit, ar-r.com for all 3 PCT meds, got my Test from a buddy at the gym.

No HCG while on cycle, yes it was my first cycle.

That sounds like its total T. Free T is upto 40 or so, not 800.

You may be suffering from testicular dysfunction. Your testes have become desensitised to LH and are not firing if you will.

Get some HCG and an AI. Run the HCG/Tamox and AI for 15-20 days at 500ius/ED. Then run the Tamox at 20mg/ED for 45 days and Clomid 25mg/ED also.

YGPM.

[trueX]

I will try the HCG when I get paid and get it ordered, I think some of the issue is in my head as yesterday me and my GF rocked the house and it was no issue at all...weird how the mind can play tricks on you.