Need some Help..ASAP..I'm A lil Scared!!

[The Deuce]

Ok I am on Day 10 of 70 -- Of 60mgs ED of Trenbolone Acetate. I am also on Test 500mgs EW, 75mgs ED of Proviron, and 500mcgs E4D of Cabergoline.

So that's what it is going on inside my body for AAS.

Other things include; A multi-v, CLA, Fish Oil, Glucosamine/Chondriton/MSM, Vitamin b-12, vitamin C, whey protein, and an AMINO ACID Blend called Vital Amino.

And some medications that I am on for other things, a BP med, a host of anxiety/panic disorder meds (PTSD sufferer), and a depression/chronic pain med..

Ok now that you have some background brothers, Here's where I am scared as all hell...


I have used Tren before in the past. It's been 3 years but I have used it, suffer from the normal sides that i usually deal with Heighten ANXIETY, sweats-- specifically night time obviously, insomnia(although this time around it hasn't been so bad.), and MILD Acne.. nothing serious just a few zits on the shoulders and back...

Ok, moving on. I LOVE TRENBOLONE, and The TRENBOLONE.. it LOVES ME

Now, My issue... Im sleeping decently at night, it's the DAYTIME that has me freaked out, scared, nervous, worried... even as I type this I have probably nodded out 10 times and my wife has had to snap me awake....

HAS ANYONE EXPERIENCED THIS ?! While on TREN?? It has never happened to me before.. it's weird..

Here's what I learned from the SEARCH function...

The Tren Lethargy !!!!


This is brought on by the messing with the THYROID. And this is WHY it is recommended that you use at least a replacement dose of 12.5mcgs per day of T3 whilst on TRENBOLONE.

Is this information accurate or not? Because Something has to give, I can NOT do another 60 days like this. It's affecting my workouts.. NO ENERGY to go to the Gym, but when I do happen to get my Ass to the GYM my workouts are KILLER !! Better than ever.. it's just this unreal TIREDNESS. I figure it HAS to be related to my Thyroid function...

Anyone agree that i should add a minimum of 25mcgs of T3 starting tomorrow???


Thanks Bro's!!

[The Deuce]

Usually I NEVER have to bump a thread that I CREATED... but in this instance it's IMPERATIVE. I have to find out if my tiredness is related to the TREN and the deactivation of Thyroid...

[Hazard]

hey bro,

I've never had this personally..... i always feel great on tren. Try adding 25mcg's of T3 and see if it helps..... shouldn't take too long to see results if thats it.

sorry I can't research this a little bit more..... on my way out.

~Haz~

[canadian meat]

Google REM and non REM It might help. I had the same problem when I first started with tren you might simply need a sleeping aid so you can hit a NREM sleep, one that will make you feel rested and alert throughout the day

[gymnerd]

I have heard the same thing about tren and T3 but in all honesty you have a lot going on there as far as drugs go BP meds anxiety meds and AAS who knows if something is just not mixing well I am no Doctor I would hesitate to add MORE drugs to the mix personaly its your call bro but thats my take.

[The Deuce]

BP meds are precautionary, Anxiety meds are your typical benzodiazpine mix, my Testosterone is prescribed for Hypogonadism.

So all in all, the Tren,Caber and Proviron are the only things my pharmacist doesn't know about. Obviously. I think what I am going to do.. is come off tomorrow.. down time for 8 weeks.. allow myself some rest.. still hit the GYM as hard as I always do. I mean I will still be on 200mgs of Test per week, 2iu's to start of HGH and ramping up to 8iu's per day.. over a long enough time span... and 25mgs per day of Proviron.. but I am going to ask my doc to ween me off my Pain Killer medicine, which i believe to be messing with me hardcore.. if I dont do this NOW, I will not be ready for competition season in 30 weeks. So, if I factor in that it will take the 2 weeks for the Cypionate to reach TRT levels .. and I stay off for 8 weeks.. that puts me in line for a 20 week duration between then and my Comp I am gearing up for.

As of right now, I THINK this is the smartest move. I can't be falling asleep during the day.. that's not cool... It should take about 4 or so days for the sides of the TREN to die down. And if that cures it then i will know the TREN was to blame, if NOT then it's something else entirely... to be honest I think it's all the MEDICATION I am prescribed .. not the AAS. But I will keep ya'll updated on what I do. Thanks everyone.

Either way I slice it, I am not happy abandoning cycle. The Tren was just starting to kick in, and ahhhh I love it, I just can not believe this is happening... BS !!



Thank God for TRT and HGH or else I would be even MORE pissed than I AM...

[peachfuzz]

scratch that

[gymnerd]

Are you on HGH right now?

[The Deuce]

No HGH regimen was supposed to start in 4 weeks, now moving it up.. to 2 weeks from now...

[gymnerd]

OT/ have you run gh in the past? I just started 3 wks ago myself just wondering?

[marcus300]

I would stop the tren and see if the condition stops, knodding off 10 times while writing this thread isnt good or healthy, go and see your doctor.

[bifda]

come off the tren mate, strip it back, try going back to basics.....after a break.

[Swifto]

I would stop the tren and see if the condition stops, knodding off 10 times while writing this thread isnt good or healthy, go and see your doctor.

Completely agree.

Get your melatonin levels checked too.

[stpete]

BP meds are precautionary, Anxiety meds are your typical benzodiazpine mix, my Testosterone is prescribed for Hypogonadism.

So all in all, the Tren,Caber and Proviron are the only things my pharmacist doesn't know about. Obviously. I think what I am going to do.. is come off tomorrow.. down time for 8 weeks.. allow myself some rest.. still hit the GYM as hard as I always do. I mean I will still be on 200mgs of Test per week, 2iu's to start of HGH and ramping up to 8iu's per day.. over a long enough time span... and 25mgs per day of Proviron.. but I am going to ask my doc to ween me off my Pain Killer medicine, which i believe to be messing with me hardcore.. if I dont do this NOW, I will not be ready for competition season in 30 weeks. So, if I factor in that it will take the 2 weeks for the Cypionate to reach TRT levels .. and I stay off for 8 weeks.. that puts me in line for a 20 week duration between then and my Comp I am gearing up for.

As of right now, I THINK this is the smartest move. I can't be falling asleep during the day.. that's not cool... It should take about 4 or so days for the sides of the TREN to die down. And if that cures it then i will know the TREN was to blame, if NOT then it's something else entirely... to be honest I think it's all the MEDICATION I am prescribed .. not the AAS. But I will keep ya'll updated on what I do. Thanks everyone.

Either way I slice it, I am not happy abandoning cycle. The Tren was just starting to kick in, and ahhhh I love it, I just can not believe this is happening... BS !!



Thank God for TRT and HGH or else I would be even MORE pissed than I AM...

Good call. But you have a lot of shit going on bro. Eliminate one by one i guess. Good luck.

[Turin]

anxiety/panic disorder meds (PTSD sufferer), and a depression/chronic pain med..

The most simple explanation is usually the correct one...
You take a host of other meds that "all" have an mild to acute side effect of drowsiness. I would eliminate the other meds you take that all make you sleepy rather then think it's the one that does not normally have that side effect.

Who knows, maybe the Tren amps up the sensitivity of the other meds...

[Duma23]

bad diea to take tren when ure on meds for bp probs...

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ok I am on Day 10 of 70 -- Of 60mgs ED of Trenbolone Acetate. I am also on Test 500mgs EW, 75mgs ED of Proviron, and 500mcgs E4D of Cabergoline.

So that's what it is going on inside my body for AAS.

Other things include; A multi-v, CLA, Fish Oil, Glucosamine/Chondriton/MSM, Vitamin b-12, vitamin C, whey protein, and an AMINO ACID Blend called Vital Amino.

And some medications that I am on for other things, a BP med, a host of anxiety/panic disorder meds (PTSD sufferer), and a depression/chronic pain med..

Ok now that you have some background brothers, Here's where I am scared as all hell...


I have used Tren before in the past. It's been 3 years but I have used it, suffer from the normal sides that i usually deal with Heighten ANXIETY, sweats-- specifically night time obviously, insomnia(although this time around it hasn't been so bad.), and MILD Acne.. nothing serious just a few zits on the shoulders and back...

Ok, moving on. I LOVE TRENBOLONE, and The TRENBOLONE.. it LOVES ME

Now, My issue... Im sleeping decently at night, it's the DAYTIME that has me freaked out, scared, nervous, worried... even as I type this I have probably nodded out 10 times and my wife has had to snap me awake....

HAS ANYONE EXPERIENCED THIS ?! While on TREN?? It has never happened to me before.. it's weird..

Here's what I learned from the SEARCH function...

The Tren Lethargy !!!!


This is brought on by the messing with the THYROID. And this is WHY it is recommended that you use at least a replacement dose of 12.5mcgs per day of T3 whilst on TRENBOLONE.

Is this information accurate or not? Because Something has to give, I can NOT do another 60 days like this. It's affecting my workouts.. NO ENERGY to go to the Gym, but when I do happen to get my Ass to the GYM my workouts are KILLER !! Better than ever.. it's just this unreal TIREDNESS. I figure it HAS to be related to my Thyroid function...

Anyone agree that i should add a minimum of 25mcgs of T3 starting tomorrow???


Thanks Bro's!!

Like MARCUS said go off the tren. It could be your sugar levels as well from the GH. But, I think it has to do with the blood pressure/anxiety/pain med combination. Those 3 drugs alone would put most people out of commission. Tren can cause anxiety in some and it can certainly cause you to feel tired but the nodding off ordeal sounds like the other meds. It could also be your liver or a very high red blood cell count!

If you do not mind can you tell me what the other 3 meds for blood pressure, anxiety and pain are that you taking and the dosages of each? I might be able to make a suggestion in addition to what your doc recommends. I would steer clear of t-3 for now!

[The Deuce]

OT/ have you run gh in the past? I just started 3 wks ago myself just wondering?

First time brotha man !! I'd have to say I am quite excited.

I would stop the tren and see if the condition stops, knodding off 10 times while writing this thread isnt good or healthy, go and see your doctor.

Here's an update, I dropped the dose of Tren, and I took a sleep aid last night that actually allowed me to get at least a good 6.5 hours of uninterrupted sleep. And today, I am doing a lot better.

So I am NOT going to quit. I am going to make the proper adjustments, and TRY not to take that sleep medicine every night it can become habit forming. But, After making these adjustments I should be ok. I am reducing the Testosterone to 200mgs EW instead of 500mgs EW. I am dropping the Tren to 50mgs Daily instead of the extra 10mg's. I am dropping the proviron dosage from 75 to 50mgs.. so adjustments, all of which where I am dropping the dosing. NOT that I was running excessive dosages, but.. abandoning this NOW, would make the last 9 weeks a total waste !! So, This is what had to be done. I will be making the phone call on Tuesday to be taken off ALL medications aside from my Blood Pressure and anxiety attack medication.

Also, I will removing the glucosamine/MSM/Chondriton, CLA, the Fish Oil.. I find all of these are UN-NEEDED !!

I am just tired of pumping PILLS into my body.. I'll Take my Multi-Vitamin everyday. I'll take My Blood Pressure at night, For now, I will Take my Pain Medication, until I medically weened off, I will take my anxiety as my head needs it.. no more, no less, other than that.. I AM JUST DONE TAKING PILLS.. Pills for this, Pills for that.. NO!! Not anymore !!

come off the tren mate, strip it back, try going back to basics.....after a break.

Back to basics bro?? LOL.. I THINK I am wellllll past basics my brotha man.. the reason for the reaction is because I was NOT getting any sleep(well sleep that actually counted) after getting to bed early last night.. today when I woke up, I could just TELL I felt A MILLION times better... better than I had in 3 months.

As far as basics, well those were back in my first couple cycles, I am on my 10th official real cycle.. 13 if you count the stupid cycles i ran like an idiot before I knew what I was fdoing (I.E.- Dbol only = 8 week/50mgs ED=No Pct [IDIOT CYCLE], Deca Only/500mgs EW 8 WEEKS= Nolva PCT= 40mgs ED 6 weeks[IDIOT CYCLE], and the 3rd IDIOT CYCLE I did before I knew anything about Sustanon 1 shot per week for 10 weeks = No PCT.] Yah see how i dont count those cycles??

This isn't my first run with Tren.. nor will it be my last. TRENBOLONE IS MY FAVORITE COMPOUND... Ever !!

As it is with a lot of OTHERS who can handle it.. And I can handle it, always have been able to.. the downside to this time is the amount of just straight up un-needed BS Medications and Vitamins I am taking,

But No.. I made pre mature decision last night about abandoning my cycle.. NO i am not gonna do that.. I am going to eliminate what is causing this, and it's the ract I am not slipping into REM sleep and getting the REST I need. Simple as that... Prohlem SOLVED... Continue with Trenbolone !!!

Completely agree.

Get your melatonin levels checked too.

Read above bro.. I am going to have a full blood workup once I am done with this cycle. But if you are curious, I had a blood workup done 2 weeks ago.. the results from it are posted in a THREAD created by me, IN THE APPROPRIATE spot of the forum

Good call. But you have a lot of shit going on bro. Eliminate one by one i guess. Good luck.

Thanks .. yah that's the plan.. eliminate all the un-needed BS out of my body.. I am being over medicated by my doctor..I am thinking of smashing my DOC in his face,, just because I can... LOL... j/k

[fastwardo]

Hey bro, you briefly mentioned that you were on benzos and pain meds? What kind of pain meds? If they are opiates, do you think that this may be part of the cause? I am a recovering drug addict (celebrated 3 years sober yesterday!) and I used to love mixing benzos with narcotic pain meds because it wrecked me and made me nod like crazy! lol. That just caught my attention because those drugs will ABSOLUTELY make you nod!!! Especially combined. Good luck man.

[CaliPhotog]

Hey bro, you briefly mentioned that you were on benzos and pain meds? What kind of pain meds? If they are opiates, do you think that this may be part of the cause? I am a recovering drug addict (celebrated 3 years sober yesterday!) and I used to love mixing benzos with narcotic pain meds because it wrecked me and made me nod like crazy! lol. That just caught my attention because those drugs will ABSOLUTELY make you nod!!! Especially combined. Good luck man.

Congrats on the 3 years man!!!!!!

[chitownhoker]

First time brotha man !! I'd have to say I am quite excited.



Here's an update, I dropped the dose of Tren, and I took a sleep aid last night that actually allowed me to get at least a good 6.5 hours of uninterrupted sleep. And today, I am doing a lot better.

So I am NOT going to quit. I am going to make the proper adjustments, and TRY not to take that sleep medicine every night it can become habit forming. But, After making these adjustments I should be ok. I am reducing the Testosterone to 200mgs EW instead of 500mgs EW. I am dropping the Tren to 50mgs Daily instead of the extra 10mg's. I am dropping the proviron dosage from 75 to 50mgs.. so adjustments, all of which where I am dropping the dosing. NOT that I was running excessive dosages, but.. abandoning this NOW, would make the last 9 weeks a total waste !! So, This is what had to be done. I will be making the phone call on Tuesday to be taken off ALL medications aside from my Blood Pressure and anxiety attack medication.

Also, I will removing the glucosamine/MSM/Chondriton, CLA, the Fish Oil.. I find all of these are UN-NEEDED !!

I am just tired of pumping PILLS into my body.. I'll Take my Multi-Vitamin everyday. I'll take My Blood Pressure at night, For now, I will Take my Pain Medication, until I medically weened off, I will take my anxiety as my head needs it.. no more, no less, other than that.. I AM JUST DONE TAKING PILLS.. Pills for this, Pills for that.. NO!! Not anymore !!



Back to basics bro?? LOL.. I THINK I am wellllll past basics my brotha man.. the reason for the reaction is because I was NOT getting any sleep(well sleep that actually counted) after getting to bed early last night.. today when I woke up, I could just TELL I felt A MILLION times better... better than I had in 3 months.

As far as basics, well those were back in my first couple cycles, I am on my 10th official real cycle.. 13 if you count the stupid cycles i ran like an idiot before I knew what I was fdoing (I.E.- Dbol only = 8 week/50mgs ED=No Pct [IDIOT CYCLE], Deca Only/500mgs EW 8 WEEKS= Nolva PCT= 40mgs ED 6 weeks[IDIOT CYCLE], and the 3rd IDIOT CYCLE I did before I knew anything about Sustanon 1 shot per week for 10 weeks = No PCT.] Yah see how i dont count those cycles??

This isn't my first run with Tren.. nor will it be my last. TRENBOLONE IS MY FAVORITE COMPOUND... Ever !!

As it is with a lot of OTHERS who can handle it.. And I can handle it, always have been able to.. the downside to this time is the amount of just straight up un-needed BS Medications and Vitamins I am taking,

But No.. I made pre mature decision last night about abandoning my cycle.. NO i am not gonna do that.. I am going to eliminate what is causing this, and it's the ract I am not slipping into REM sleep and getting the REST I need. Simple as that... Prohlem SOLVED... Continue with Trenbolone !!!




Read above bro.. I am going to have a full blood workup once I am done with this cycle. But if you are curious, I had a blood workup done 2 weeks ago.. the results from it are posted in a THREAD created by me, IN THE APPROPRIATE spot of the forum



Thanks .. yah that's the plan.. eliminate all the un-needed BS out of my body.. I am being over medicated by my doctor..I am thinking of smashing my DOC in his face,, just because I can... LOL... j/k

well said bro. I'm the same way, they always want to give you pills for everything and I hate it. I try to not even take ibprofen as I just hate putting un needed shit in my body. They seem to have a pill for EVERYTHING these days. I just had scabies ( i know gross) and they gave me some cream but also to other medicens to injest for a week and I just said **** it and took just the cream. The pills were suppose to help with itching and stuff, but here i am all done with it and i didn't even need the pills

its getting out of control these days

[fastwardo]

well said bro. I'm the same way, they always want to give you pills for everything and I hate it. I try to not even take ibprofen as I just hate putting un needed shit in my body. They seem to have a pill for EVERYTHING these days. I just had scabies ( i know gross) and they gave me some cream but also to other medicens to injest for a week and I just said **** it and took just the cream. The pills were suppose to help with itching and stuff, but here i am all done with it and i didn't even need the pills

its getting out of control these days

I agree 100% bro! There are Billions and billions of dollars to be made with prescription drugs. I used to be on a slew of medications for anxiety/depression, whatever. I have seen so many psychiatrists and I have NEVER ONCE had a SINGLE ONE ask me, "what is your diet like? Do you get any exercise? IF so, how much? what kind?"
It was always, "You are depressed? Take this powerful chemical that will make you a zombie and don't bother taking care of your body and keep on eating McDonalds everyday and drinking mountain dew 24/7 and smoking cigarettes."
I haven't had the need for any medication since I started eating right and working out. I have never felt better in my life. I have a lot of friends who are always saying to me "awww Ed, I have been so depressed lately. I don't know what to do. This anti-depressant doesn't seem to be helping me. What can I do?" Now, NONE of these friends that I'm talking about work out and their diets are HOOOOOORRIBLE!!!! They all smoke like chimneys as well. You would think that a doctor would have common sense and tell them that if you don't take care of your body and you eat poison 24 hours a day, YOU WILL FEEL LIKE SHIT! PERIOD!

[marcus300]

First time brotha man !! I'd have to say I am quite excited.



Here's an update, I dropped the dose of Tren, and I took a sleep aid last night that actually allowed me to get at least a good 6.5 hours of uninterrupted sleep. And today, I am doing a lot better.

So I am NOT going to quit. I am going to make the proper adjustments, and TRY not to take that sleep medicine every night it can become habit forming. But, After making these adjustments I should be ok. I am reducing the Testosterone to 200mgs EW instead of 500mgs EW. I am dropping the Tren to 50mgs Daily instead of the extra 10mg's. I am dropping the proviron dosage from 75 to 50mgs.. so adjustments, all of which where I am dropping the dosing. NOT that I was running excessive dosages, but.. abandoning this NOW, would make the last 9 weeks a total waste !! So, This is what had to be done. I will be making the phone call on Tuesday to be taken off ALL medications aside from my Blood Pressure and anxiety attack medication.

Also, I will removing the glucosamine/MSM/Chondriton, CLA, the Fish Oil.. I find all of these are UN-NEEDED !!

I am just tired of pumping PILLS into my body.. I'll Take my Multi-Vitamin everyday. I'll take My Blood Pressure at night, For now, I will Take my Pain Medication, until I medically weened off, I will take my anxiety as my head needs it.. no more, no less, other than that.. I AM JUST DONE TAKING PILLS.. Pills for this, Pills for that.. NO!! Not anymore !!



Back to basics bro?? LOL.. I THINK I am wellllll past basics my brotha man.. the reason for the reaction is because I was NOT getting any sleep(well sleep that actually counted) after getting to bed early last night.. today when I woke up, I could just TELL I felt A MILLION times better... better than I had in 3 months.

As far as basics, well those were back in my first couple cycles, I am on my 10th official real cycle.. 13 if you count the stupid cycles i ran like an idiot before I knew what I was fdoing (I.E.- Dbol only = 8 week/50mgs ED=No Pct [IDIOT CYCLE], Deca Only/500mgs EW 8 WEEKS= Nolva PCT= 40mgs ED 6 weeks[IDIOT CYCLE], and the 3rd IDIOT CYCLE I did before I knew anything about Sustanon 1 shot per week for 10 weeks = No PCT.] Yah see how i dont count those cycles??

This isn't my first run with Tren.. nor will it be my last. TRENBOLONE IS MY FAVORITE COMPOUND... Ever !!

As it is with a lot of OTHERS who can handle it.. And I can handle it, always have been able to.. the downside to this time is the amount of just straight up un-needed BS Medications and Vitamins I am taking,

But No.. I made pre mature decision last night about abandoning my cycle.. NO i am not gonna do that.. I am going to eliminate what is causing this, and it's the ract I am not slipping into REM sleep and getting the REST I need. Simple as that... Prohlem SOLVED... Continue with Trenbolone !!!




Read above bro.. I am going to have a full blood workup once I am done with this cycle. But if you are curious, I had a blood workup done 2 weeks ago.. the results from it are posted in a THREAD created by me, IN THE APPROPRIATE spot of the forum



Thanks .. yah that's the plan.. eliminate all the un-needed BS out of my body.. I am being over medicated by my doctor..I am thinking of smashing my DOC in his face,, just because I can... LOL... j/k

I think you have alot going on and I think your better getting blood work now, the condition your described doesnt sound good to me, i would be safe than sorry!! go to the doctor imho

[RyanRoss]

Bro, it sounds to me like you are getting sleep apnea from getting so heavy. This EXACT THING happened to me on the EXACT CYCLE. I was nodding off while driving, during the afternoon, etc. I stopped breathing at a few points in my sleep as well and my wife had to wake me up

Ok I am on Day 10 of 70 -- Of 60mgs ED of Trenbolone Acetate. I am also on Test 500mgs EW, 75mgs ED of Proviron, and 500mcgs E4D of Cabergoline.

So that's what it is going on inside my body for AAS.

Other things include; A multi-v, CLA, Fish Oil, Glucosamine/Chondriton/MSM, Vitamin b-12, vitamin C, whey protein, and an AMINO ACID Blend called Vital Amino.

And some medications that I am on for other things, a BP med, a host of anxiety/panic disorder meds (PTSD sufferer), and a depression/chronic pain med..

Ok now that you have some background brothers, Here's where I am scared as all hell...


I have used Tren before in the past. It's been 3 years but I have used it, suffer from the normal sides that i usually deal with Heighten ANXIETY, sweats-- specifically night time obviously, insomnia(although this time around it hasn't been so bad.), and MILD Acne.. nothing serious just a few zits on the shoulders and back...

Ok, moving on. I LOVE TRENBOLONE, and The TRENBOLONE.. it LOVES ME

Now, My issue... Im sleeping decently at night, it's the DAYTIME that has me freaked out, scared, nervous, worried... even as I type this I have probably nodded out 10 times and my wife has had to snap me awake....

HAS ANYONE EXPERIENCED THIS ?! While on TREN?? It has never happened to me before.. it's weird..

Here's what I learned from the SEARCH function...

The Tren Lethargy !!!!


This is brought on by the messing with the THYROID. And this is WHY it is recommended that you use at least a replacement dose of 12.5mcgs per day of T3 whilst on TRENBOLONE.

Is this information accurate or not? Because Something has to give, I can NOT do another 60 days like this. It's affecting my workouts.. NO ENERGY to go to the Gym, but when I do happen to get my Ass to the GYM my workouts are KILLER !! Better than ever.. it's just this unreal TIREDNESS. I figure it HAS to be related to my Thyroid function...

Anyone agree that i should add a minimum of 25mcgs of T3 starting tomorrow???


Thanks Bro's!!

[The Deuce]

Ok, here's the scoop...

The NOD is most likely from the benzo + pain medicine...

Marcus I just had my bloodwork done 1 week ago, all checked out normal, i posted the results in the Bloodwork section if you wanna take a peak.

I am going to be honest with you guys, no reason not to be. I am a recovering drug addict. Opiates. To be exact. I have been in the Methadone Clinic now since 12-23. I WAS ON A LOT OF PAIN KILLERS after my near fatal/coma motorcycle accident. I was on 80's 3 per day for almost 18mon. due to the rehab. I shattered both legs, my skull, my clavicle, dislocated my shoulder, and was in a coma for awhile. So I rehabbed... my body, but little did I know what the pain killers were doing to me.. so when i finally decided enough was enough with them, i talked with my doctor about coming clean. He said I had the option of 2 programs, 1. Suboxone. 2. Methadone. I tried the Suboxone for 3 months and was SICK as hell everyday. I transferred to the methadone clinic on 12-23.. best Christmas present ever. So hear I am working my way out of the Methadone Clinic, I was at 210mgs ED for awhile and have now weened myself down to a measly 40mgs ED. Why? Because Bodybuilding and Health has now encompassed my life, yes I use AAS. But my body was/is in the shape to use them. Methadone has a lot of misconceptions and myths surrounding it because of all the retards who aren't maintained on it and give it a bad name by ODing and DYING. But other than that, it is SAFE as long as you do not use other CNS depressants in conjunction with it because you run into the possibility of relaxing yourself so much that when you go to sleep you forget to breathe. Hence why I dont DRINK ALCOHOL. I haven't had a SIP of alcohol since My Bike ACCIDENT 3 years ago. Anyways, I know you guys don't want to read a book, but this was MAINLY for Marcus. I understand your concern and I almost see you saying YOU SHOULDN'T BE USING AAS UNTIL ALL OF YOUR OUTSIDE ISSUES ARE TAKEN CARE OF. I can understand that and completely respect that. But if it wasnt for Bodybuilding I do not think I would be here right now. I am Moderate with my dosing of AAS right now accounting for the fact I am on Methadone. And I made the decision when I typed this thread up to come completely off the methadone, in the medically determined 21day detox starting on Tuesday.

The Benzo's I will never be able to get rid of, I have been on them since I was 15 and diagnosed with PTSD. I suffer from Panic attacks that are so horrible that unless you suffer from them yourself you couldn't possibly understand them.

Back to the Methadone for a second. It doesn't effect any INTERNAL ORGAN such as the LIVER or anything else for that matter, once you are on a stable dose you can't even tell people are on it. I have met people in the mandatory groups that we must attend as part of the recovery program that a BANK CEO's.. that are BODYBUILDER'S Themselves, Semi-Pro Wrestlers.. haha if there is such a thing..people from all walk of life.. It's not a bad thing. But I felt that after Marcus's Post that I had to put the WHOLE TRUTH up.

Marcus and all the rest of the Bro's, You have stuck by me, given me very crucial advice that has stuck with me and has allowed me to transform my body from where it was in NOV 07 which was 299lbs. 39.75%BF to where I am now at 230lbs. 12.75%BF. Obviously I wasn't using AAS until I was down until the appropriate... bodyfat percentage and that is when I incorporated AAS into my routine again.. for the 2nd time in my life. I did this transformation with Methadone coursing through my body so that just goes to show you with the proper determination, the will, the might, the strive, nutrition, training, and when the time was RIGHT.. The proper SUPPLEMENTATION.

I did this all under doctor supervision, i have had bloodwork done religiously every 6 weeks without fail to monitor everything and everytime.. same this , A BIG Thumbs up for being remarkably healthy.

Since I have been back to cycling.. I have only done technically 2 cycles not including my TRT.. 1ST one was a TEST ONLY Cycle to dip my feet in because it had been 3 years since I had cycled heavily before I had my unfortunate accident so i decided to tread lightly.

This being my 2nd cycle, I have always LOVED my Tren and Missed it so I wanted to use it on the Tail End of this current cycle. I knew what to expect from it. The sides from Tren are easily maintainable.

The reason for the NOD is the use of the Methadone and Benzo's. I know this now, I didn't when I wrote this thread; i thought that it had something to do with the Trenbolone and now that I know that it had to do with the fact that I would take a benzo to fall asleep at night because of the Tren causing INSOMNIA or so i THOUGHT. Little did I know when I wrote this thread that if you take a benzodiazipine before you go to sleep your body DOES NOT SHUT DOWN and enter into a REM SLEEP which is what the body needs to fully rest and recover and hence be rejuvenated so that I wont be dead tired the next day.. and be nodding out all over the place...

So I wanna thank you all for taking the time to read this and sharing your concerns. It is because of you that I am dumping out of my life every unneeded medication and getting my body the proper everything it needs so I CAN BE THE BEST BODYBUILDER I CAN BE !!! thank you ALL very very much !!

-The Deuce

[fastwardo]

Good luck brother. Like I posted above, I am a recovering addict (celebrated 3 years sober last night) and my drug of choice was opiates. I hope you can get off of that methadone, because it will just keep you in purgatory. I was on it for a long time to. Methadone withdrawal is ten times worse than regular opiate withdrawal, and it lasts for weeks as opposed to several days with regular opiates. The only positive side that I see to the methadone program is that it keeps you from getting sick and having to lie cheat and steal to get your fix. Like I said, it keeps you in addiction purgatory. Man, wait till you get off of that stuff, you will be amazed at how much better your life will be. After being on it for so long, you don't realize how much it really holds you down. It's like walking around with a backpack full of bricks for years. eventually you don't even realize it's there, until you finally take it off! The relief is incredible, and you can't figure out how you were able to have that on your back for so long. Good luck bro.

[oscarjones]

First time brotha man !! I'd have to say I am quite excited.



Here's an update, I dropped the dose of Tren, and I took a sleep aid last night that actually allowed me to get at least a good 6.5 hours of uninterrupted sleep. And today, I am doing a lot better.

So I am NOT going to quit. I am going to make the proper adjustments, and TRY not to take that sleep medicine every night it can become habit forming. But, After making these adjustments I should be ok. I am reducing the Testosterone to 200mgs EW instead of 500mgs EW. I am dropping the Tren to 50mgs Daily instead of the extra 10mg's. I am dropping the proviron dosage from 75 to 50mgs.. so adjustments, all of which where I am dropping the dosing. NOT that I was running excessive dosages, but.. abandoning this NOW, would make the last 9 weeks a total waste !! So, This is what had to be done. I will be making the phone call on Tuesday to be taken off ALL medications aside from my Blood Pressure and anxiety attack medication.

Also, I will removing the glucosamine/MSM/Chondriton, CLA, the Fish Oil.. I find all of these are UN-NEEDED !!

I am just tired of pumping PILLS into my body.. I'll Take my Multi-Vitamin everyday. I'll take My Blood Pressure at night, For now, I will Take my Pain Medication, until I medically weened off, I will take my anxiety as my head needs it.. no more, no less, other than that.. I AM JUST DONE TAKING PILLS.. Pills for this, Pills for that.. NO!! Not anymore !!



Back to basics bro?? LOL.. I THINK I am wellllll past basics my brotha man.. the reason for the reaction is because I was NOT getting any sleep(well sleep that actually counted) after getting to bed early last night.. today when I woke up, I could just TELL I felt A MILLION times better... better than I had in 3 months.

As far as basics, well those were back in my first couple cycles, I am on my 10th official real cycle.. 13 if you count the stupid cycles i ran like an idiot before I knew what I was fdoing (I.E.- Dbol only = 8 week/50mgs ED=No Pct [IDIOT CYCLE], Deca Only/500mgs EW 8 WEEKS= Nolva PCT= 40mgs ED 6 weeks[IDIOT CYCLE], and the 3rd IDIOT CYCLE I did before I knew anything about Sustanon 1 shot per week for 10 weeks = No PCT.] Yah see how i dont count those cycles??

This isn't my first run with Tren.. nor will it be my last. TRENBOLONE IS MY FAVORITE COMPOUND... Ever !!

As it is with a lot of OTHERS who can handle it.. And I can handle it, always have been able to.. the downside to this time is the amount of just straight up un-needed BS Medications and Vitamins I am taking,

But No.. I made pre mature decision last night about abandoning my cycle.. NO i am not gonna do that.. I am going to eliminate what is causing this, and it's the ract I am not slipping into REM sleep and getting the REST I need. Simple as that... Prohlem SOLVED... Continue with Trenbolone !!!




Read above bro.. I am going to have a full blood workup once I am done with this cycle. But if you are curious, I had a blood workup done 2 weeks ago.. the results from it are posted in a THREAD created by me, IN THE APPROPRIATE spot of the forum



Thanks .. yah that's the plan.. eliminate all the un-needed BS out of my body.. I am being over medicated by my doctor..I am thinking of smashing my DOC in his face,, just because I can... LOL... j/k

Not sure what meds you're taking... but remember - xanax and ambien combo = no wakey wakey in the morning.

[The Deuce]

Thanks Man, AND what gets me the most... is I have made ridiculous progress with my body, while on Methadone, I just dont even wanna think what it woulda beeen like without it... I guess I'll know in 23 days, cuz its time to take this backpack off so to speak... it's time to release my real and full potential as a bodybuilder.. I keep hearing how it's going to be hell coming off.. i honestly dont think it will be, because, I am more than ready to come off... as with when i quit smoking, they say that is the hardest thing to quit... i just threw them away and never smoked again... it's just my time to throw away this...



I just cant even fathom how much this has held me back... how much muscle i didn't gain because of ... how much fat i didnt incinerate because of it.. all of this HATRED towards METHADONE will allow me to kick it with ZERO withdrawal symtoms !!!

[fastwardo]

Just remember, drugs are very very powerful things. More powerful than anything I have ever come across. People who have never been addicts can't possibly fathom their power. Never underestimate their power, because if you do, you set yourself up for a very rough road ahead of you.
I have more will power and determination (I think most of us BBers do) than I would say 99% of the rest of the world. I train religiously, and my diet it right on. Friends think I am crazy. I practiced the guitar for 8 hours a day for 8 years and now I go to music school. Now, even with all that tremendous will power and determination, and extraordinary discipline that most us BBers understand, I was STILL unable to stay sober for a single day. For years and years!! So, I would say that will power is nothing compared to the power of drugs. It is a daily thing, my man. I see people crash and burn EVERY SINGLE DAY. Some people with years clean. In the past 3 years, I have buried at least a dozen friends! No exaggeration!! All of them thought that they were cured and that they were now more powerful than the drug.
I will say this though, One of the biggest reasons that I am still standing here, is my love for lifting. I swear to god, exercise and building my body mind and spirit has absolutely saved my f*cking life!! Keep it up