What to expect when doing HGH with a course of AAS

[STEEL1983]

In my third week of taking 4iu of HGH per day and planning a steroid bulking cycle in January 2010.
I am 26yrs old, 5"9 tall, have 13% bf, been training for 8 years, have done steroids before - taken a cycle of enth and deca 2 years ago for three months.
Want to compete in next few years and so want to really make progress.
I plan to run 2 cycles next year 3 month on and 3 month off.
I was wondering if anyone could ofer me advice firstly on what i should expect running HGH all year alongside the two courses next year - will i see a significant reslut (obviously i am dieting and training correctly).
An example of a aas bulking cycle would be most appreciated also.

[Vitruvian-Man]

HGH + AAS = incredible gains.

I have seen many people completely transform their physiques with the combination of the two.

What's going to be your split for the GH? 5 on 2 off? or do you have the money to go 7 on for the whole year?

Outline your proposed cycles for me; and i'll critique them..

[Dukkit]

first off... whats your weight?

and you say "obviously diet and training are correct"
please give us examples?

not to knock you but when most ppl say that (even i) their training and diet arent 100%

running GH all year round will give decent results. better results with cycles. but depends on doses. lengths. diet and training.

hard to give you a list of what to expect

usually good fat loss. energy. better sleeping. slight increase in muscle mass. joint relief. etc

[gymnerd]

HGH + AAS = incredible gains.

I have seen many people completely transform their physiques with the combination of the two.

What's going to be your split for the GH? 5 on 2 off? or do you have the money to go 7 on for the whole year?

Outline your proposed cycles for me; and i'll critique them..

Is 4iu ed enough in your oppinion?

[Vitruvian-Man]

Is 4iu ed enough in your oppinion?

Mmmm... well it depends. Some would say it's a little low for a 26 year old man..

It really depends on what type of GH you are running though... if it's generics from China most would tell you to increase dosage... but if it's something like US pharma-grade then 4iu would be plenty to see results.

[turk1968]

From my experience of hgh with aas ,i have run bulking cycles with and without hgh. What i would say that with no hgh i tended to get more bodyweight gains which to the man who is obsessed with scales is a good thing but you still have to at some time lose the crap weight which can lead to lean tissue loss aswell. With hgh i tended to eat better as my appetite was better so stayed away from the junk, i gained less overall bodyweight but the gains were quality gains .People seem obsessed with large weight gain which if its a load of crap weight is unhealthy and will have to come off.

So if you are very lean you could leave the hgh and save the money till later. If you carry a bit of extra weight then the hgh is a good addition to any cycle to keep the gains true gains.

[STEEL1983]

Ok guys thanks for the responses,

I'll try and answer all the questions that people asked me.....

The HGH is from Greece, not that China rubbish.
I run the HGH everyday all week and plan to do so all year. (split into 2 injections daily).

Ok training wise.......

Mon - Chest/triceps
Tues - legs
Thurs - Shoulders
Fri - Back/biceps

I can list my diet but to be honest it would take an age unless you guys want me too?

as for my aas cycle......

500mg test enth per week
400mg deca per week
the cycle will last for 12 weeks on then PCT with HCG.

what do we think?
injections split into 2 per week

[STEEL1983]

Oh and my bodyweight is currently 15 stone......
bodyfat being 13%.

cheers

[dec11]

do you mean hcg pct? you need nolva/clomid for pct, hcg should be run in small doses through out cycle or btween cycle end and start of pct, do some research on this first before you start

[syd-bloke]

HGH + AAS = Freakin awesome! best stack ever. Transformed my body to the limit that i couldnt even dream of! I only got enough cash for one year and im currently on 7th month but if i could afford it, id use it forever.

Just a note, you should only use it 6 days a week and rest one day. I use pharma grade twice a day too (7iu)

[STEEL1983]

Why only 6 days a week?

[yarakefendi]

dude you must be loaded with cash then!

HGH + AAS = Freakin awesome! best stack ever. Transformed my body to the limit that i couldnt even dream of! I only got enough cash for one year and im currently on 7th month but if i could afford it, id use it forever.

Just a note, you should only use it 6 days a week and rest one day. I use pharma grade twice a day too (7iu)

[syd-bloke]

Why only 6 days a week?

Dont really know. People tend o run it this way to give rest to body i guess? My Doc who priscribed it to me also asked me to run it 6 days and rest one day. Do a research.

[Vitruvian-Man]

Just a note, you should only use it 6 days a week and rest one day.

That's not true whatsoever.

Running GH 5 on 2 off protocol... or 6 on 1 off protocol is just for those who are strapped for cash.

There is no added benefit to the body from not injecting that one - two days. The only benefit is to the users wallet. LOL.

so yah... no need for the OP to "do a research," he was absolutely correct in thinking that 7 on is more effective, then 5 or 6 on per week.

[marcus300]

If you run it correctly you should see a huge difference and in many cases it will transform your whole physique, but at 4ius you aren't going to see a huge difference IMHO, you will get great condition,fat loss, healing and a great feeling of well being.

If you want to see lean muscle gains your going to have to increase the dose to 5ius - 8ius coupled with a good basic stack, this will drasticly transform your bodies composition and will benefit you far more than 4ius, IMHO I would up the dose when your on cycle and drop it down to 4ius when your not.

[hankdiesel]

How can anyone afford 5ius a day? Seriously.....I make okay money and I would be eating nothing but ramen noodles if I ran it like that.

[Ronnie Rowland]

If you run it correctly you should see a huge difference and in many cases it will transform your whole physique, but at 4ius you aren't going to see a huge difference IMHO, you will get great condition,fat loss, healing and a great feeling of well being.

If you want to see lean muscle gains your going to have to increase the dose to 5ius - 8ius coupled with a good basic stack, this will drasticly transform your bodies composition and will benefit you far more than 4ius, IMHO I would up the dose when your on cycle and drop it down to 4ius when your not.

Exactly! Too bad most of us can't afford it...

[syd-bloke]

That's not true whatsoever.

Running GH 5 on 2 off protocol... or 6 on 1 off protocol is just for those who are strapped for cash.

There is no added benefit to the body from not injecting that one - two days. The only benefit is to the users wallet. LOL.

so yah... no need for the OP to "do a research," he was absolutely correct in thinking that 7 on is more effective, then 5 or 6 on per week.

and you say this from what experience? so you know better than a professor who has seminars around the world so other doctors can learn about HGH and priscribe it?

If you asking someone to avoide research, make sure youve done yours, no offence.

[Vitruvian-Man]

and you say this from what experience? so you know better than a professor who has seminars around the world so other doctors can learn about HGH and priscribe it?

If you asking someone to avoide research, make sure youve done yours, no offence.

Please, please... show me this "research." LOL.

Oh, btw, yes I was saying that from experience also, so lose the attitude.

I love how you're trying to play this off like you're some omniscient HGH guru. Bro, you're just parroting. And what you're saying is incorrect.

you want to see research that running GH for 7 days as opposed to 5 is more beneficial??? Ok... why don't you try typing that into google, and see what pops up.

parrot

[Vitruvian-Man]

^^ Better yet... why don't we just wait for another guys on the board to share their experiences as well.

(we'll conduct some of our own research right now Syd.)

What do you think boys... is 5 on 2 off more effective then 7 on????

seems reasonable right??

[BG]

^^ Better yet... why don't we just wait for another guys on the board to share their experiences as well.

(we'll conduct some of our own research right now Syd.)

What do you think boys... is 5 on 2 off more effective then 7 on????

seems reasonable right??

No need to be an ass, debate like grown ups please.

[Vitruvian-Man]

No need to be an ass, debate like grown ups please.

Sorry BG.

Early morning... haha..

I'm out. Peace.

[syd-bloke]

^^ Better yet... why don't we just wait for another guys on the board to share their experiences as well.

(we'll conduct some of our own research right now Syd.)

What do you think boys... is 5 on 2 off more effective then 7 on????

seems reasonable right??

Dude chill out. I meant no disrespect. Im not saying 5 days on 2 days off. I was told by a guy who im sure knows more than we do that 6 days on, one day off is more efficient (not saying better).

With all due respect to you as a fellow member, if you havent used hgh for at least 6+ months cycle, then you shouldnt call it a personal experience as well as calling "me" a parrot!

Yes I use HGH, have been using it for the past 7 months and gonna keep going for another 5 months. And I use a famous pharma brand. The guy who priscribe it to me spent his life telling people how good hgh is. He has done research in partnership with one of the biggest pharmaceutical companies.

you said, if I may quote:

"That's not true whatsoever.

Running GH 5 on 2 off protocol... or 6 on 1 off protocol is just for those who are strapped for cash."


Come back to me with your PHD in human genetics and I go back to him and say his an ass. Until then, think about correcting people who actually use hgh and dont really care about the cash saving they make by cutting one day of the weekly cycle. Its like telling someone who is driving a very expensive car where to get cheap gas!

I personally agree with you that if its good, lets use it all week round and you are right, im not a hgh guru so I cant insist on what my doctor told me because if you have another research backing up your theory and its written by same grade doctor, then I will go with your theory for sure.

Again, I dont know why he asked me to use hgh 6 days a week, I also dont know why anyone who I know is using it 6 days a week and ive never tried to find out really. So it will be good to find out why and if its not really important, then so be it. But i got great results on hgh using it this way.

[STEEL1983]

Well, well, well.....

I've opened a right can of worms haven't I?
Obviously I want to gain the most benefits possible from using my HGH and now find myself a bit torn between the two methods outlined.
Could anyone else recommend there view on the subject?

[syd-bloke]

Well, well, well.....

I've opened a right can of worms haven't I?
Obviously I want to gain the most benefits possible from using my HGH and now find myself a bit torn between the two methods outlined.
Could anyone else recommend there view on the subject?

I hope you relise that the debate was not about right or wrong. My recommendation was totally based on what I was told and I cannot say it was correct. Never the less, the important thing is to take HGH if you can with aas at the right dose based on your expectation as it was explained clearly by marcus above.

I am curretly using it 6 days on,one day off at 7iu a day (3.5iu x 2) and getting good results. Maybe i was told to use it this way due to high dose (i dont know).

Although everyones body is differnt, I noticd nothing for the first 3 months. If you runing it at 4iu, you maybe ok to run it every day. It might be a good idea to start a new topic.