My HGH Journey, in Journal Form

[lawstudent007]

I just received my hgh today. I noticed the limited detailed HGH feedback (especially regarding women), so I plan on keeping a detailed journal of my experience. My journey begins tomorrow morning. For now, I received 2 hgh vials of 15iu each and 2 vial of bacteriostatic solution (more to follow). Below are the pics and details on my approach in what I'll call Phase 1.

Program: Teva Pharmaceuticals www.tevapharm.com
Teva-Tropin rHgh 191aa (aka Tev-Tropin, Bio-Tropin, Somatropin )
Syringe Type: Insulin 1cc Syringe 30 gauge x 5/16" (8mm/short needle)

Phase 1 Schedule/Dosage:
4 on / 3 off (Inject: M, T, Th, F)
2 injections daily: .5iu per injection (equals 1.iu a day / 4iu a week)

Location/Time:
SubQ - (stomach area), a couple hrs after waking up, and then early evening around 4pm.

*My personal Notes:
SubQ injection: In stomach, at least 1 inch from either side of belly button
Avoid injecting: 1st thing in the am, or right before bed, or right after a workout.

Stats: Late 20's - female - 6'ft tall - 237lbs - BF%= unsure, maybe like 30

Side Note: I have the package inserts. The 2 inserts have a lot of great info on hgh and actual instructions for reconstitution (with pics). If anyone wants to read it, let me know and I'll scan it.

[ScotchGuard]

The fun begins. How about some stats? It would be nice to compare your progress.

[Fixr]

Good luck and keep posting. I am sure a few of us will be following your progress.

[The Deuce]

I'll follow your progress but i DO NOT know where you got your personal notes from... That is definitely MISINFORMATION..

To really know the true benefits of HGH you HAVE to know about Pulsation and when the best times to inject are.. and I am sorry my dear but like i stated to you THE ABSOLUTE BEST TIME TO DO IS UPON FIRST WAKING. Like the very first thing you should do.. before your morning Pee.. before you even wipe the crumblies out of your eyes...

Also, It is a good thing you are doing twice daily injects.. I think personally 1iu is pretty extensive for your first time, and ESPECIALLY being that of female gender. .25iu's twice daily would have been a better starting point.

Also, where did you come up with the 4 days per week.. regardless MALE or FEMALE 7 days a week should be standard protocol. THE ONLY REASON people do not run it all 7 days a week is because HGH isn't cheap.. and to conserve money they think by running a 5on 2off, 6on 1off, or the 4on 3off protocols are the best option.. in all reality they are not.

To really understand what HGH does.. Pulse is very important. and we all have a natural pulse .. regardless of gender.. at night. About 1-2 hours after we go to sleep. When we enter that REM state. That is why it is advised unless you are over 45-50 years of age not to administer a dose of GH approx. 3-4 hours before you plan to go to sleep to still let the BODY do it's naturally occurring process.

I think HGH is a wonderful thing and where as I am just NOW starting my first run with it. I did MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS of reading and researching.. finally I found a genius on the subject and he taught me THE CORRECT WAY, and gave me THE CORRECT INFORMATION on HGH.

If I were you I would start to do a little bit more research on the subject yourself .. or take my word for it.. because when you start really getting into the real true info you will see everything I am telling you is correct.

I am not trying to sound like a KNOW IT ALL .. I am trying to help you on your journey the best way I know how, and that is by correcting certain information I found as FALSE and MISLEADING.

Take it for what it is, I am trying to help..

[The Deuce]

Also, as you read more and more information on GH, You will soon learn, yes SUB-Q is a perfect place to start.. to get used to injecting.. but Intramuscular is a much better way to administer this compound.. get the 1/2" slin pins and hit where you have the least amount of Bodyfat... I.E.- Probably Forearms, Calves, Outer Quads, Delts, and possibly biceps.. trust me.. I thought that it would hurt hitting the Forearms and calves but HONESTLY you do not even FEEL it

I wouldn't steer you in the wrong way.. and now that I have learned what I know from DAT.. I feel much better in administering myself and also.. giving people advice for themselves ..

Once again, just trying to lend my knowledge.. from one person to the next.

I wish you the best of luck and as I learn more I will gladly share it with you..

Also, could you tell us your GOALS, Excercise Routine, Cardio regimen, and diet.. I am just curious as to how you are incorporating this all together as ONE BIG LOG.

[lawstudent007]

Fixr: Thanks for the encouragement.

ScotchGuard: I'll edit more complete stats into the initial post after I go to the gym and get bf% and specific weight.

Deuce:
Thanks alot Deuce, now I gotta post a long explanation to reply to your posts...am I'm so d*mn lazy right now...lol. You're lucky I got a soft spot for ya.

Ok, let's see my personal notes are ones I received from my doctor. When I initially came on this board in Jan, I began to do a lot of research (on many boards, the internet, and scientific journals). I was a Bio major, so I also did alot or research on the physiology aspect and clinical trials of hGH. I deceided to wait a while, and now I feel I'm ready. I actually appreciate your opinions and, don't worry, I don't think you're acting like a know it all, lol. I welcome opinions that differe becasue who knows what I'll learn from it...

Dosage & Injection Times
I read alot about pulsation and the natural realease of HGH. That is why I chose not the take injections before bed. Before my Dr told me, I had never heard of avoiding injections first think in the am or just after a workout (I even searched the net about it). He also used hGh and told me he's going by his experiences with himself and with his patients. Also, he actually wanted me to start at 1.8iu a day and only 1 shot a day! Some seeming knowledgeable people (on this board) have even said that women are less sensitive to hGh then mne are and need more IUs to feel that same effect a man would. Also, my doc said he found results were great at 4x a week and that it would allow for my body not to decrease my own natural hGH production.

Also, some poeple even says weight has a factor when determining how many IUs to administer. When hGH is used for it's original intended purpose, the weight of the child (among other factors) also determined how much was administered. Again, this was with children, so it may or may not matter for adults.

IM vs SubQ
I regards to injectuing IM, I just haven't been fully convinced yet. in theory, it. When I say convinced, I'm referring to whether or not it's worth it. In theory, in seems like a better method to get the best use of hGH, but I want more user experiences. So much more can go wrong with IM injections as opposed to the safer SubQ method (remember how paranoid I am, lol). I've read the circulating research reports online but need more hardcore stats of actual user experience who used to inject subQ but are now doing IM. So, for now, I'll stick to SubQ while I look for more data on IM. I'm not afraid of needles, lol, and actually used to inject B12 IM with a 1" needle (24gauge....eww) in my upper arm.

Conclusion
There's so much contradictory info out there that it's often difficult to come to the best conclusion. Then thre's the fact that every person's body reacts differently and can be more sensitive (or more resistant) to hGH than others. So that's why I decided to go in moderation: I'll inject like 30-60min after waking up (for now). I'll avoid injecting right after workout and an 1.5hrs before or after carbs. In Jan, I start a 5am boot camp style training, so I wonder if I should then take it right when I wake up (before the workout)....

Hmm, good idea. I forgot about goals, excercise routine, Cardio regimen, and diet. I guess I should incorporate it into 1 big log. I'll edit my initial post to add goals rouine and diet. I'm keeping a journal in a Word file. I'll post whenever I experience any kind of signs or symptoms with the hGH use. I'll also make 1 post a week where I summarize my diet and exercise routine/regimen for that previous week.

[The Deuce]

You are one My favorite People !!!! You love the debate.. I think we are going to get along just fine ma'am.. just fine

[The Deuce]

What dude?? What are you saying?? That was YOUR FIRST POST.. how could you have any bearing on anything you are trying to say...

Where are you coming from saying this.. AND WHY IS THIS IN LAWSTUDENT'S JOURNAL !?!?!

[Test247]

Deuce- Ive run GH before, never huge doses. Just 1.5 to 2.5iu's daily for a few months. I always did sub-q. I tried IM this time around and literally I was thinking oh I dont really feel much of anything. I took 5 days off. Then started back sub-q and I feel a huge difference. If this feeling keeps up then I will attribute it to sub-q I suppose...

I can only go off what I feel and I feel the GH sub-q and I feel nothing IM.

[The Deuce]

Deuce- Ive run GH before, never huge doses. Just 1.5 to 2.5iu's daily for a few months. I always did sub-q. I tried IM this time around and literally I was thinking oh I dont really feel much of anything. I took 5 days off. Then started back sub-q and I feel a huge difference. If this feeling keeps up then I will attribute it to sub-q I suppose...

I can only go off what I feel and I feel the GH sub-q and I feel nothing IM.

Valid point.. I'll take it..

My only dispute.. and i am not telling you how to run your GH or to switch it up.. but when we talk about pulsations and PEAKS .. the point of the IM injection is that you will be able to hit the PEAK quicker. allowing to better metabolize then utilize the synthetic gh we are putting into our bodies. When done SUB-Q you are asking your fatty tissue to metabolize then utilize the GH and well.. TRUTH BE TOLD you actually loose some effectiveness this way.. because it takes LONGER for it to activate in the FAT than the MUSCLE.. so it degrades in your body.. GH is a very fragile and finicky compound.. if you don't reconstitute it exactly the right way.. it's junk... if you shake it.. junk.. if you keep it unrefrigerated for too long.. junk, if you drop it.. junk..

It just only makes sense to get it activated and used in your body the fastest way.. NOW, The fastest is obviously IV, but that's still in trials and would never tell anyone to ever do it that way. BUT there is a lot of proof pointing in the fact of direct deposit into the blood is the best way.. i will NEVER EVER Do it this way.. but IM is a very easy way and almost typical way to go about it.. especially for us AAS users.. we are used to sticking muscle tissue.

The only thing i can say is if you have run it both ways and it works for you sub-q.. well then.. DON'T MESS WITH A GOOD THING.. what's the phrase.. if it's not broke.. don't fix it??

As we speak I am reading more and more info on IM administration for GH, all pointing towards the better way than the old school typical SUB-Q.

[lawstudent007]

You are one My favorite People !!!! You love the debate.. I think we are going to get along just fine ma'am.. just fine

Hahaha...yeah, that's why everyone one I know agrees that law school waws the right career path for me, lol.

What dude?? What are you saying?? That was YOUR FIRST POST.. how could you have any bearing on anything you are trying to say...

Where are you coming from saying this.. AND WHY IS THIS IN LAWSTUDENT'S JOURNAL !?!?!

He just copied a line from my previous post. I think he wants people to click on the link in his signature line....I smell a spammer

[The Deuce]

He just copied a line from my previous post. I think he wants people to click on the link in his signature line....I smell a spammer

I don't think that's spammer.. I just dissected it... use an algorithim programing module I have, his IP is bouncing back from US to Eastern Europe to Afghanistan to Saudi...ToGermany... the spells only one thing.... VIRUS !!

Plus, I don't know how the P.O.S. Has a sig line..

DO NOT CLICK ON THAT LINE ANYONE !

[ScotchGuard]

I've tried both IM and subq. My experience is that IM was better for me. However, I didn't get the localized fat reduction in my stomach anymore since I was pinning other areas. So I went back to subq in my stomach. I still get good results and my stomach is more defined.

[lawstudent007]

Day 1 11/28/09
8:30am – first subq injection in abdomen: 0.5iu

Notes: My eyes felt heavy all throughout the day. I’m going to bed now because I feel dead tired, like my body is telling me to close my eyes. I’m, not sure if it’s related. No other signs or symptoms.

• Headed to gym. - Will eat first meal at 10:15am.
• Gym: 10min treadmill - 1hr kickboxing class
• Meal: 4 egg whites and chicken breast salad (just romaine lettuce and meat).
• Snack: 1/4c plain almonds, 1/2c blueberries, 1c sugar free plain yogurt.
• Meal: Half a turkey wheat wrap: lettuce, tomato, 1 slice swiss cheese (cut in pieces), ½ tbs mayo
• Snack: small turkey salad with broccoli
• Gym: 30min elliptical – squats, push-ups, dips – 45min elliptical
• Meal: 1 large tilapia fillet – baked with spinach and onions.
• Meal: Other half of turkey wrap

Day 2 11/29/09
10:30am - subq injection in abdomen: 0.5iu

Notes: Around 10pm last night I felt heavy headed and went to bed. I’m usually a night owl, so 10pm bedtime is amazing! I woke up refreshed today, not sluggish at all (like I usually am). No other signs or symptoms. Tonight, it’s around 9:30pm and it’s like my internal clock is telling me that it’s time for bed. I just have this strong urge to go to bed.

Day 3 11/30/09
10:30am - subq injection in abdomen: 0.5iu

Notes: Still sleeping around 10pm and waking around 6:30am and feeling refreshed. Sense of overall happiness and full of energy (not sure if either are related).

Day 4 12/01/09
10:30am - subq injection in abdomen: 0.5iu

Notes: Same ‘ol, same ‘ol. I slept well and woke up early (without an alarm). Still feel this over sense of happiness (and energy), even though finals are around the corner. No other signs and symptoms.

Day 5 12/02/09
8:30am - subq injection in abdomen: 0.5iu
4:30pm - subq injection in abdomen: 0.5iu

Notes: Ok, about 10min after the second injection, my feet began tingling a bit and I just felt weird all around. I’m not sure this is related since my limbs have tingled in the past, without any kind of meds. Within an hour my hand felt a little funny, but NOT numb or tingling or twitching. I can’t explain it. Anyhow, I’m still sleeping well and on a “normal” person’s time schedule. By 6:30am I’m wide awake and fully of energy.

I had a bad headache today; the pain was on my forehead. It didn’t last too long but it came back a few times today. This may not mean anything because I get headaches quite frequently, especially this past month (partially bec of allergies).

For the past 3 weeks before starting hGH, I had been having severe pain in my Achilles tendon. It got so bad that I could barely put pressure on it, and walked a little funny when it started to act up. It would especially hurt when I flexed the foot in either direction. Now, the pain is COMPLETELY gone. It just disappeared.

Day 6 12/03/09
No Injections today.

Notes: Today I woke up feeling very odd. My hands felt funny, but my left hand felt particular odd. My left hands felt tight (a bit annoying). Is this want they call joint pain or stiffness? I can’t even describe it. My right hand felt a little funny, but I only felt the stiffness in my left hand. I had to keep making a fist and releasing it. Then again, I did wake up in an odd position. Could I have just slept on my arm/hand and that’s the real culprit? My wrists also felt a bit weird. I had to turn them in a circular motion a few times, just because of how weird they felt. My head felt a bit funny too, but I can’t describe it. I stayed in bed for like 10minutes (for no particular reason, lol). When I got out of bed and walked to the kitchen, I noticed that my heart was racing extremely fast. Not just a rapid heartrate, I mean VERY fast. However, after a few minutes it stopped and went back to normal. I don't know if it's related, but again, I mention it for data sake.

Since yesterday evening, I’ve had these random twitches. Not twitches others can notice, but just enough to where I notice them. I also have some weird pain near both of my shoulder blades (that area).…but I don’t think it’s related. I’m just throwing it out there for data sake. Overall, I have general feeling that something is not right…like that 2nd injection was a big mistake. Well, it’s 6:30pm and I’m feeling ok. I’m definitely going back to 0.5iu a day for at least another few weeks!

Tonight not as sleepy around 10:30 like I usually am. I am abl to fight it and stay up later. It's like 2:30am right now. Yeah, I'm tired. So one day without this stuff and I still feel the sleepiness effects, but just not nearly as strong.

Day 7 12/04/09
No injections today.

Notes: So far, nothing new. I had a bit of a headache, but I'm pretty sur it was allergy related. Still no pain in my Achilles tendon. Yay! I also just realized that my back pain is completely gone. Double YAY!!

Week 1 Summary

I am now a morning person, lol. I automatically go to be around 10:30pm and wake up around 6:30am, like clockwork…as if my body was on a timer. I wake up feeling refreshed and full of energy. Plus my back pain and pain in my Achilles tendon are gone! I like this feeling. As soon as I moved up to 1iu a day (split up into 2 injections), I felt a weird difference. I can’t quite put my finger on it, but it was NOT good. I didn’t like the feeling. I like to listen to my body, and my body is telling me to take it slow, lol.

I know, I know…I was told to stay at 0.5iu for a while. All of you guys were right. I wanted to do what was recommended, but there was one problem. My box said that once reconstituted, it expires in 14 day! I thought I had 30 days to use it. When I looked at the 2nd vial that came with my stuff, it said Bacteriostatic 0.9% Sodium Chloride. So it was not the BW that I thought it was (that I read about in this forum).

My hGH is in a 15iu vial. Which means, if I didn’t use at least 1iu a day, it would be money wasted. That’s why I suddenly increased the dosage. The scary thing is that my doc wanted me to start at 1.85iu a day, one time a day!! Imagine if I did that! I’m going to call him and tell him how bad of an idea that would have been. The 14th day (supposed expiration date) is Fri, Dec 11th. If I continue at 0.5iu a day for 7 days, I’ll still have 8.5iu’s left. Is there anything I can do?

Side Note: I’ll update my diet and exercise info from my Fit Day journal later on….

[bjpennnn]

i will be following this as I am trying to get my girlfriend to take hgh even though she is already pretty lean i would love to see some of her abss. If i can convince her to take then i wont have to hear her bitching anymore about me spending money on this. Good luck to you.

[thefunkybuddha]

So you finally made the HGH plunge. Atkins wasnt enough? lol

[lawstudent007]

So you finally made the HGH plunge. Atkins wasnt enough? lol

Hahaha, good one. Lol. I remember you. Well now I don't do the typical Atkins diet. I'm just low carb and high protein and no processed foods. I'm trying to get to the point of being very detailed in my diet. I forgot what it's called...micro--something or another.

[audis4]

I just received my hgh today. I noticed the limited detailed HGH feedback (especially regarding women), so I plan on keeping a detailed journal of my experience. My journey begins tomorrow morning. For now, I received 2 hgh vials of 15iu each and 2 vial of bacteriostatic solution (more to follow). Below are the pics and details on my approach in what I'll call Phase 1.

Program: Teva Pharmaceuticals www.tevapharm.com
Teva-Tropin rHgh 191aa (aka Tev-Tropin, Bio-Tropin, Somatropin )
Syringe Type: Insulin 1cc Syringe 30 gauge x 5/16" (8mm/short needle)

Phase 1 Schedule/Dosage:
4 on / 3 off (Inject: M, T, Th, F)
2 injections daily: .5iu per injection (equals 1.iu a day / 4iu a week)

Location/Time:
SubQ - (stomach area), a couple hrs after waking up, and then early evening around 4pm.

*My personal Notes:
SubQ injection: In stomach, at least 1 inch from either side of belly button
Avoid injecting: 1st thing in the am, or right before bed, or right after a workout.

Stats: Late 20's - female - 6'ft tall - 237lbs - BF%= unsure, maybe like 30

Side Note: I have the package inserts. The 2 inserts have a lot of great info on hgh and actual instructions for reconstitution (with pics). If anyone wants to read it, let me know and I'll scan it.

what are your goals?

IMO, BF is way to high to start something like hgh

[The Deuce]

Macro-nutrients is the word you were lookin' for Law... lol

and AUDI.. She has been prescribed this... from a doctor.. i think bf% and weight is irrelevant .. she is under the care of licensed physician...

[lawstudent007]

Deuce the Defender..lol. Thanks. Yup Macro-nutrients was the word. Did you real my "Week 1" journal post? Do you think there's anything I can do about the wasted hGH? Also, how did your headaches feel & what part of the heard were they in?

[ScotchGuard]

Did the stiffness in your hands go away? If your fingers are tight like sausages and the knuckles either clicks or are really stiff then it's the infamous HGH sides. See how it is for a couple of days. If it persists then you need to go down .5iu and stay there a week or 10 days and see if it clears up. If it does, you can increment back up .5iu. If not, go down another .5iu.

Good posts.

[lawstudent007]

Did the stiffness in your hands go away? If your fingers are tight like sausages and the knuckles either clicks or are really stiff then it's the infamous HGH sides. See how it is for a couple of days. If it persists then you need to go down .5iu and stay there a week or 10 days and see if it clears up. If it does, you can increment back up .5iu. If not, go down another .5iu.

Good posts.

It went away within a day or so. Basically, as the day progressed, it got better. Yup my fingers were tight (no clicks), but that only lasted a little while. When I first woke up (day after 1iu injection), they were very tight. A couple hrs later, they still felt funny, but nowhere near how it was when I first woke up.

Thanks for responding. Just to be safe, I'm gonna keep it at .5iu for a few more days. Do you know what will happen if I continue to take the hGH aftert he 14 days it says on the package insert?

[whitmore]

The doctor who prescribed my HGH said that it was OK for 30 days, refrigerated of course, despite the package insert.

[The Deuce]

Deuce the Defender..lol. Thanks. Yup Macro-nutrients was the word. Did you real my "Week 1" journal post? Do you think there's anything I can do about the wasted hGH? Also, how did your headaches feel & what part of the heard were they in?

If it's refrigerated .. it is good despite what it says for 30 days.. then it begins to SLOWLY degrade.. to the tune of like.. .2iu's per 3 days... yah.. that slow.. so you are all set... NO WASTED HGH !!!

Of course I defend you.. eye for an eye remember.. you stuck up for me.. i stick up for you.. that's kinda how a friendship thingy works .. lol...

Headaches were localized to the temples and back of the skull... Upped my dose to 3iu's today.. headache came back.. DAMNIT !! So I am going to return to 2iu's for literally 15 weeks... lol.. that oughta be enough time for my body to say OK !! I can deal with this stuff.. haha.. friggen who would have thought a man who can slam 2500mgs of test per week + PLENTY of other AAS would be so super sensitive to GH that he can't excel past 2iu's per day... grrrrrrr

[lawstudent007]

If it's refrigerated .. it is good despite what it says for 30 days.. then it begins to SLOWLY degrade.. to the tune of like.. .2iu's per 3 days... yah.. that slow.. so you are all set... NO WASTED HGH !!! Perfect. So I'll stay on course.

Of course I defend you.. eye for an eye remember.. you stuck up for me.. i stick up for you.. that's kinda how a friendship thingy works .. lol... LOL...

Headaches were localized to the temples and back of the skull... Upped my dose to 3iu's today.. headache came back.. DAMNIT !! So I am going to return to 2iu's for literally 15 weeks... lol.. that oughta be enough time for my body to say OK !! I can deal with this stuff.. haha.. friggen who would have thought a man who can slam 2500mgs of test per week + PLENTY of other AAS would be so super sensitive to GH that he can't excel past 2iu's per day... grrrrrrr Ugh....well maybe you can do 2.5iu after doing the 2iu for like 5weeks?? I'm a novice, so just an idea.... On the bright side, being sensitiev to it probably means you need less of it to get the effects as other men....

Responses are in bold...

[The Deuce]

Ehhh I hope so, I don't wanna get into too much because this is your JOURNAL of PROGRESS.. but, I administered another 3iu dose today but I waited until 3pm.. instead of doing it early morning, I want to see if this will make a difference..

I have used Peps before and I think at this point I am going to add in GHRP-2 to help aid in the synergistic process of pituitary stimulation..

And I think that this is something that you should also consider yourself.. a lot of people get the misconception of what GHRP-2 and 6 actually are.. not only does it enhance the effects of GH but it also is used to START the GH Pulse.. so basically.. you take for a woman 50mcgs is a GREAT starting point per injection.. to start the pulse.. and do that 15-20min before you do you GH shot.. then WAIT 20-30mins after the GH to consume ANY Carbs or Fats.. Protein is ok.. but any FAT or CARB is just going to dull the GH.. so you got the GHRP-2 and you use 100mcgs per day it comes in 5mg systems.. and it's soo cheap and so WORTH every Penny !! When I say Cheap I say like in the neighborhood of 25-30bucks per 5mg's and for you that would last you like 50 days.. and IMHO Law.. it is worth it, and definitely worth at LEAST trying...