First Cycle - Test Cyp 500mg/wk

[rusty44]

Stats:

Age: 33
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 208 lb
BF%: ??

Diet:
Morning: 2 whole eggs, 6 egg whites, whole wheat english muffin, 1 tbsp peanut butter

Late Morning: 2 scoops whey

Lunch: 6-8 oz deli turkey, 2 cups of mixed greens, 1/4 avocado, 1 cup of greek yogurt

Pre-Workout: 1 scoop of whey, 2 scoops N.O. supp (No-Xplode - I actually like this stuff)

Post workout: 2 scoops whey, 1 bagel, 1 tbsp grape jelly

Dinner: 7-9oz Salmon rotated daily with 8-9oz of NY strip or top sirloin, 1 cup zucchini

Bed: 1 scoop casein

By my count, the macros break down as follows: ~2900 cal / 311g pro/ 114g crabs/ 80 g fat (sometimes up to 90 with flax seed oil - seems to help with joint pain and fatigue)

I've been lifting consistently for around 3 years. I do some rock climbing and mountaineering in the spring and summer months, and I played lacrosse in college.

I work a 4 day split:

Monday - Chest/Tris
Tuesday - Back/Bis
Wednesday - Off
Thursdays - Shoulders
Friday - Legs

I only do about 30 minutes of cardio 3 - 4 days a week (I need to amp this up I know)

I know that you guys have recommended Test E as a first cycle, but I could only manage to get my hands on some Test Cyp.

My last blood test has total free test: 160.1 (range: 35.0 -155.0 pg/ml)
% free Test: 1.89 (range 1.5 - 2.2%)

I want to run 500mg Test C (250mg twice/wk) for 8 weeks
Do not have problems with gyno but keeping Adex on hand and will do .5 EOD if I see signs.

And a standard Clomid/Tamox PCT that I've seen posted here a billion times in Q&A session.

Any advice?

[2jz_calgary]

no point running cyp at 8 weeks as it is a long ester. You wont even really feel the effects until week 6, as i am on a cyp cycle now myself. consider running it 12 to 14 weeks minimum, as 8 weeks will be a waste of money and training.

[kifenehma3ak]

man i would throw the deli turkey out. getting in some real meat.

[rusty44]

2jz, keep in mind this is going to be my first cycle. Everything on here says stick to 8 weeks for your first cycle. I have often wondered if this recommendation comes from an overly cautious audience given the number of eneducated newbies that come in here looking for a quick fix. 8 weeks possibly over-conservative? I have enough for 10 weeks. Do you think there will be a dramatic difference between 8 and 10 weeks?

Do I have a sufficient natural base to see some reasonable gains?

Kifenehama3ak, what is it the salt? Again I hear conflicting information about whether deli turkey is decent lunch choice? Thanks for the response guys.

[stpete]

Not everything says to run it at 8 weeks. It's a recommendation that is in serious debate, and as you're going to be running cyp, i have to agree with 2jz. I know the threads you speak of and they're very recent. Personally, i'd go with 12 weeks. Do some research and you might agree.

[kifenehma3ak]

its the salt, the preservative the chemicals..... etc...... all of that crap is not good muscle building food in my opinion.

[stevey_6t9]

12 wks dude u shud run. and fix ur diet

[lovbyts]

fix the diet and get the body fat down more before you cycle.

[chuckt12345]

fix the diet and get the body fat down more before you cycle.

whats wrong with his bf?

[chuckt12345]

only shitty thing is yoru natural test levels for a 33 yr old are extremely good. Doing cycles from now on will prb start knocking this down

[thehalfbreed]

ima have to side with stpete and stevey, as the actual test percentage (supposedly, as noted on the profiles here) show to have around 69% test. If you were running enth you could get away with an 8 wk cycle as your first, but cyp was my first cycle ever and you'll still show significant gains at a 10-12wk cycle. good luck bro

[rusty44]

Is this why I have seen so many people around here running 750mg of test c per week for their first cycle? The pic here is after about 2-3 months of bulking...I'd really be happy if I can retain 10-15lbs of any mass gain post cycle and just lean out a bit. A noticable difference in body comp and strength during this cycle is really what I am after here.

[lovbyts]

whats wrong with his bf?

He looks soft, not lean at all. No he is not FAT/obese but I a cycle is not to get you in shape, a cycle is to bump you past your natural limits or platue maybe.

To many people keep thinking it's a magic pill or a diet aid. That is not what test/cycle is for. You should be in really good shape before doing a cycle.

It's like taking a POS car and adding nitrous to it so it will do 100 mph. If you took care of it, built the motor so it's stock, strong and added nitrous it would do 200 maybe.

[rusty44]

I'm inclined to agree with with lovbyts...but I should have probably mentioned that I am planning to bring the body fat down a before I start. I won't cycle until I've hit the cardio hard for at least the next few months. On the other hand, if you are expecting me to look like your avatar, that is never going to happen. I bulk and lean according to the seasons and sports I engage in during those seasons, and in all my years even as a lacrosse player I never looked like that.

[lovbyts]

I'm inclined to agree with with lovbyts...but I should have probably mentioned that I am planning to bring the body fat down a before I start. I won't cycle until I've hit the cardio hard for at least the next few months. On the other hand, if you are expecting me to look like your avatar, that is never going to happen. I bulk and lean according to the seasons and sports I engage in during those seasons, and in all my years even as a lacrosse player I never looked like that.

Good man. It was not meant as an insult in any way and Im glad you did not take it that way. It's just nice to see people not waste their money and get the most out of a cycle.

[rusty44]

I should also probably add, that I never thought it was a magic pill...and I hope you are not lumping me in with the people that I see typically getting replies like that.

[darkcrayz]

2jz, keep in mind this is going to be my first cycle. Everything on here says stick to 8 weeks for your first cycle. I have often wondered if this recommendation comes from an overly cautious audience given the number of eneducated newbies that come in here looking for a quick fix. 8 weeks possibly over-conservative? I have enough for 10 weeks. Do you think there will be a dramatic difference between 8 and 10 weeks?

Do I have a sufficient natural base to see some reasonable gains?

Kifenehama3ak, what is it the salt? Again I hear conflicting information about whether deli turkey is decent lunch choice? Thanks for the response guys.

you can run shorter cycles with long esters if you front load, otherwise you need to run a longer cycle because you will only be peaking just before you stop. pointless.

if you run test e you peak at roughly 4 weeks. if you run test c you peak at week 6, roughly. the reason 8 weeks is recommded is because you peak out in regards to gains at week 8-10, that give you 4-6 hard weeks of growth before it slows down. that is on test e. if you run test c and peak at week 6 and come off week 8 you only get 2 weeks maximum growth. if you push it to 10 weeks then you get 4, if you push it to 12 then you get 4-6 weeks of maximum growth.

shorter cycles are also recommended for orals and short esters because they peak within 1-2 days, so if you run 8 weeks that gives you 7+ weeks of maximum blood concentrations, and thus growth.

that is the reason 8 week cycles are recommended. hope that helps.

[darkcrayz]

I should also probably add, that I never thought it was a magic pill...and I hope you are not lumping me in with the people that I see typically getting replies like that.

honestly man, you could be at your natural limit in regards to carrying lean mass and you just have some extra bodyfat.

in regards to your 'softness', having a lower bodyfat can reduce the side effects on the estrogenic side of the formula. it is also so people see more progress while on since this is for bodybuilding purposes not powerlifting purposes.

[rusty44]

Definately helps...and thanks guys. This is first group of people to post serious and constructive responses to a question I have asked.

I must say that I was a little reluctant to post the pic....but no matter how much research I do, I'll never know if I'm in good enough shape to get decent results out of a cycle unless I ask. And thanks for clearing up the long esters and cycle duration confusion. A big part of me said I would be happy with the gains I made in 8 weeks, and some threads seemed to support this due to it being a first run. The 8 weeks also seemed to relieve some of the nervousness about blowing up at work and raising eyebrows. But if I am only going to do one cycle, I might as well get the most out of it....thanks again guys.

[rusty44]

The bloat is what has me the most concerned....which is why i posted the pic. It was not clear to me if the dosage was enough to make this and other estrogen sides a big enough factor to hold off. Sounds like a good idea to hit the HIIT for a bit before I start.

[lovbyts]

Definately helps...and thanks guys. This is first group of people to post serious and constructive responses to a question I have asked.

I must say that I was a little reluctant to post the pic....but no matter how much research I do, I'll never know if I'm in good enough shape to get decent results out of a cycle unless I ask. And thanks for clearing up the long esters and cycle duration confusion. A big part of me said I would be happy with the gains I made in 8 weeks, and some threads seemed to support this due to it being a first run. The 8 weeks also seemed to relieve some of the nervousness about blowing up at work and raising eyebrows. But if I am only going to do one cycle, I might as well get the most out of it....thanks again guys.

LOL, not much chance of that, you will see. It's not that dramatic of a change even with perfect diet unless you walk around your office with your shirt off all day and dont show up for a month at a time where they can notice the change but on a daily/weekly level no one will notice anything only when you are done that you look better than before, not that you look like a body builder in any way, even on cycle that takes years or steady hard work.

[chuckt12345]

He looks soft, not lean at all. No he is not FAT/obese but I a cycle is not to get you in shape, a cycle is to bump you past your natural limits or platue maybe.

To many people keep thinking it's a magic pill or a diet aid. That is not what test/cycle is for. You should be in really good shape before doing a cycle.

It's like taking a POS car and adding nitrous to it so it will do 100 mph. If you took care of it, built the motor so it's stock, strong and added nitrous it would do 200 maybe.

if i had a nickle everytime i heard the car story.
hes 33 yrs old,, thats pretty good shape for that age,, have no problem with someone cycling like that

[corsa5000]

He looks soft, not lean at all. No he is not FAT/obese but I a cycle is not to get you in shape, a cycle is to bump you past your natural limits or platue maybe.

To many people keep thinking it's a magic pill or a diet aid. That is not what test/cycle is for. You should be in really good shape before doing a cycle.

It's like taking a POS car and adding nitrous to it so it will do 100 mph. If you took care of it, built the motor so it's stock, strong and added nitrous it would do 200 maybe.

this is the post of the day

[rusty44]

If I want to kick start this with 25-30mg D-bol for 4 weeks, and frontload 750mg my first week, do you guys see a problem with this?

[FireGuy]

Stats:

Age: 33
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 208 lb
BF%: ??

Diet:
Morning: 2 whole eggs, 6 egg whites, whole wheat english muffin, 1 tbsp peanut butter

Late Morning: 2 scoops whey

Lunch: 6-8 oz deli turkey, 2 cups of mixed greens, 1/4 avocado, 1 cup of greek yogurt

Pre-Workout: 1 scoop of whey, 2 scoops N.O. supp (No-Xplode - I actually like this stuff)

Post workout: 2 scoops whey, 1 bagel, 1 tbsp grape jelly

Dinner: 7-9oz Salmon rotated daily with 8-9oz of NY strip or top sirloin, 1 cup zucchini

Bed: 1 scoop casein

By my count, the macros break down as follows: ~2900 cal / 311g pro/ 114g crabs/ 80 g fat (sometimes up to 90 with flax seed oil - seems to help with joint pain and fatigue)

I've been lifting consistently for around 3 years. I do some rock climbing and mountaineering in the spring and summer months, and I played lacrosse in college.

I work a 4 day split:

Monday - Chest/Tris
Tuesday - Back/Bis
Wednesday - Off
Thursdays - Shoulders
Friday - Legs

I only do about 30 minutes of cardio 3 - 4 days a week (I need to amp this up I know)

I know that you guys have recommended Test E as a first cycle, but I could only manage to get my hands on some Test Cyp.

My last blood test has total free test: 160.1 (range: 35.0 -155.0 pg/ml)
% free Test: 1.89 (range 1.5 - 2.2%)

I want to run 500mg Test C (250mg twice/wk) for 8 weeks
Do not have problems with gyno but keeping Adex on hand and will do .5 EOD if I see signs.

And a standard Clomid/Tamox PCT that I've seen posted here a billion times in Q&A session.

Any advice?

BTW-That is under 2500 calories.

[rusty44]

Nice catch fireguy...tallying those numbers up again, along with the tbspn of olive oil/vinigar on my salad I come to 2495. Whatever it is, the diet has been working quite nicely along with 3-4 days/wk cardio. I'll be back up to 3000 3500 again once I'm ready to begin the cycle. Not planning to start until I'm at 200lb. I've got another 8lb to go.

And I meant to say "carbs"...definately not "crabs"