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Ive ran test and tren before, but going to do a test tren and deca cycle.
Anything i need to know?
Planning on running:
Test E 12 weeks at 800mg per week.
Tren E 8 weeks at 400mg per week
Deca 10 weeks at 500mg per week.
Pct : nolva 40/40/20/20
.....?
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why are you runnin deca and tren together??? they are both 19 nor.
why not test and tren alone??
thats pct looks like shit also
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thought it would be different with deca and tren and test i suppose. what wrong with pct? dont nessacerely need clomid and hcg really do i..
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lol....I was agreeing with you.
Yes, I'd definitely add HCG on cycle, and clomid into the post cycle.
Two 19nors can be pretty harsh. You sure you need to run both in the same cycle?
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deca and tren shut me down hard personaly. i would suggest hcg , but if your not wanting too then i would use clomid with the nov, they both work diff to suppress the estro
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that's why im asking you guys, i thought i wouldn't need both tbh, has and can it be done??
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haha my bad
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has much clomid for 4 weeks? 50/50/25/25 ?
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What running two 19nors in the same cycle?
Of course it's been done.
I'm just asking if you really need it.
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clomid 100/100/50/50
nov 40/40/20/20
thats a basic pct
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well why wouldnt i need it??
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because tren and deca are the same. 800mg of test and 900 mg of 19 nor....hmmm sounds like gyno problems
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because I'm pretty sure you'll grow just fine with test/tren or test/deca.
If you don't grow on just two compounds, somethings wrong with your diet/training.
But if you're hell bent on trying, you better have caber or something similar handy.
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what your cycle exp
deca tren test is overkill imo
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nothing wrong with running deca and tren in the same cycle watso-ever............
mind you i would def have some bromo or caber on hand in case you do have any probs with prolactin issues........
i have ran both together and really liked it...
have you ran each compound seperately with test before?
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How were the sides running them together?
How were your gains compare to just running tren/test or deca/test?
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Yea ive ran test deca dianabol in a cycle, also test and tren and had some OK gains, not brilliant though!
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What are you stats? Is that you in your avatar and is it a recent pic?
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Test and Tren alone should yield big gains, you may have issues with your diet.
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Test and tren is one of the best combo's going, adding deca isnt going to be that more beneficial to one of the best stacks going, so why add complications to recovery and sides when the benefits are not going to be there!!!
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My diet is perfect. tbh i think i may have a bit of reverse annorexia. i'm one of these people that doesnt really notice much gains, but other ppl do. im sure theres lots of ppl out there tbh.
No thats not a recent pic of me it needs to be updated tbh
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Also, my training is ok, i dont train 6 days a week though. i train 4 days but when i do, i train hard! i havent got time to go to the gym 6 days andi find 4 days adequate workout on chest mondays, biceps & back wednesdays, shoulders & tri's fridays, legs saturdays.
at the moment im using reverse pyramid reps as my way of training.
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What are you stats? Im not trying to flame, but you don't look like you're anywhere near a cycle like you've stated. You've changed your avatar since I last posted.
What were your previous cycles?
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Yea well thats my new avatar.
Age 22
height 5ft 11
weight 189lbs
bf 12%
Previous cycles:
Test E
Test E & deca
Test E & Winny
Test E & Tren
Test & Clen
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You're missing a piece of the puzzle. If you have diet, training, rest and suppplements in check (AAS), you would be a beast by now. If you're missing out on any one of those, my guess is diet, you will not achieve your goals.
I would not advise you even start your first cycle with your current stats. But you've done several and still havent brought yourself up to what you could have achieved naturally.
Im not sure what you're missing out on, but you should research diet very thoroughly and train properly a couple of years before you waist your money and health on another useless cycle.
Sorry to be so blunt bro, but you aren't ready or educated.
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that's where i went wrong. i jumped onto cycle after 6 months of training naturally! how ****ing stupid of me.
everything else is spot on, trust me
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by the way aas doesnt react to everybody the same. some people are genetically gifted when it comes to bodybuilding
physical pain is temporary. It may last a minute, or an hour, or a day, or a year, but eventually it will subside... The pain of quiting will lasts forever!!
tren and deca are very different... very.
their are reasons to take deca, are you having joint problems? woried about any?
did you post stats and goals?
and have you taken tren before?
physical pain is temporary. It may last a minute, or an hour, or a day, or a year, but eventually it will subside... The pain of quiting will lasts forever!!
was the tren e or a? 22 is young for aas, but with all those cycles we will move on from this worry. all your stats seem fine for cycling... (excpet your age) really look in to diet, make sure your getting 6+ meals a day. and the right carbs, fats, and protien. the rest is up to you in the gym
well said...
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I believe this also. But even though you've started too soon. You've not made much progress.
STATS: 5'11" and 189 after 5 cycles is ridiculous
You really need to start over bro. Take a break and learn the basics the right way.
Last edited by Bossman; 12-24-2009 at 02:48 PM.
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beleive me, my diet and training ARE spot on.
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i was only 160lbs before i started training
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post your diet in the diet forum, just so we can rule it out
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sides mate lol just the same as a normal tren cycle,
i was having depression issues at the time so i did not gain much so to speak size-wise but i did notice that my strength gains were far superior than with just running either on its own with test..............
and no the depression was nothing to do with the gear i was having issues before hand and shouldnt have cycled but you know how it is lol..........
would def run it again...............
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30 pounds after 5 cycles... don't use "genetics" as an excuse for that. You could do that very well naturally, your problem probably relies on diet.
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for the last time, my diet is perfect!!
the mistake i made is not getting to my natural pattential before using aas!!!!!
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