**Vets**. Do you agree with my dosage per injection here?

[michael tyson]

Here is what I am about to begin. I have 30ml Test E 250mg/ml, 20ml Deca 300mg/ml, 20ml Prop 100mg/ml, and my orals. I want to utilize all of my gear if possible. This is what I propose...

WEEKS
1-12 Test E 625mg(1.25ml mon morning, thurs night)
1-10 deca 450mg(.75ml mon morning, thurs night)
1-5 dbol 50mg/ED
11-14 winny 50mg/ED
11-14 test prop 100mg EOD
1-14 hCG 500 iu/week(250iu mon morning, thurs night)

PCT 3 days after last shot of prop.
15-18 clomid 100/50/50/50
15-18 nolv 40/40/20/20

edit: I think I just answered my own question.

[D7M]

Looks fine to me

[michael tyson]

Looks fine to me

ya, I will have 3 weeks of Test E left over though if I do it that way. Thinking about bumping The Test E up to 2.5ml/week putting me at 625mg/week Test and 450mg/week Deca

[tboney]

For starters you are going to need an AI in there! What are your goals? Stats?

[michael tyson]

For starters you are going to need an AI in there! What are your goals? Stats?

I will be taking .5mg of prami a day for prolactin and I have 16 1mg tabs of arimidex. I may need to find some more adex somewhere....

stats
26 yrs old 5"11 205
1 cycle experience test E 500mg/week
goals: mass, strength while slowly shredding fat

[D7M]

So what if you have some test e left over, it won't go bad till your next cycle.

What is this, your third cycle?

[michael tyson]

So what if you have some test e left over, it won't go bad till your next cycle.

What is this, your third cycle?

nah bro, second cycle. It was recommended by a board hall of famer. Im just trying to fine tune before I begin(still waiting on my orals).

[D7M]

good luck with it, bro.

[michael tyson]

good luck with it, bro.

lol sarcasm? or are you making fun of me for saying bro, bro?

[D7M]

lol sarcasm? or are you making fun of me for saying bro, bro?

don't read too much into.

just wishing you well, uh, "bro". lol.

[Mooseman33]

im not a vet or really much of anything around here but i do have a question.

why not drop the dbol and use the prop to kickstart the cycle?

for a second cycle bro thats alot of chems to use.

[michael tyson]

im not a vet or really much of anything around here but i do have a question.

why not drop the dbol and use the prop to kickstart the cycle?

for a second cycle bro thats alot of chems to use.

prop at the end will allow me to begin pct sooner after I stop taking synthetic test. This will allow a quicker/smoother transition into PCT.

[stevey_6t9]

im not a vet or really much of anything around here but i do have a question.

why not drop the dbol and use the prop to kickstart the cycle?

for a second cycle bro thats alot of chems to use.

agreed

[marcus300]

Here is what I am about to begin. I have 30ml Test E 250mg/ml, 20ml Deca 300mg/ml, 20ml Prop 100mg/ml, and my orals. I want to utilize all of my gear if possible. This is what I propose...

WEEKS
1-12 Test E 625mg(1.25ml mon morning, thurs night)
1-10 deca 450mg(.75ml mon morning, thurs night)
1-5 dbol 50mg/ED
11-14 winny 50mg/ED
11-14 test prop 100mg EOD
1-14 hCG 500 iu/week(2 shots of 250iu)

PCT 3 days after last shot of prop.
15-18 clomid 100/50/50/50
15-18 nolv 40/40/20/20

edit: I think I just answered my own question.

I think its a little harsh for a second cycle, if your first cycle was just test e why dont you just stay with the same dose and just add another compound?

[michael tyson]

I think its a little harsh for a second cycle, if your first cycle was just test e why dont you just stay with the same dose and just add another compound?

Well I was going to just do Test and Deca but like many, wanted the kickstart in the beginning. After learning of the benefits of prop at the tail end of cycle, I decided to use the prop at the end and the dbol for the kickstart. I suppose I could save the winny for my next cycle. But i wont lie, it will be hard not to take the winny at the end knowing that I am going to harden up like a rock if I do so.

[MotoLifter]

i will be running something vey similar and this is my 4th.

I broke the dosing up alil more also to have less oil in one spot. nothing like 2.5ml in a calf or tri.


Moto

[michael tyson]

i will be running something vey similar and this is my 4th.

I broke the dosing up alil more also to have less oil in one spot. nothing like 2.5ml in a calf or tri.


Moto

I will be doing strictly glutes. 2ml in each cheek a week wont be bad at all...

[MotoLifter]

im assuming your deca is dosed at 300mg/ml?

mine is dosed less, and i like to cycle injection spots.

plus im kickstarting with prop.

Moto

[lovestospooge23]

Here is what I am about to begin. I have 30ml Test E 250mg/ml, 20ml Deca 300mg/ml, 20ml Prop 100mg/ml, and my orals. I want to utilize all of my gear if possible. This is what I propose...

WEEKS
1-12 Test E 625mg(1.25ml mon morning, thurs night)
1-10 deca 450mg(.75ml mon morning, thurs night)
1-5 dbol 50mg/ED
11-14 winny 50mg/ED
11-14 test prop 100mg EOD
1-14 hCG 500 iu/week(2 shots of 250iu)

PCT 3 days after last shot of prop.
15-18 clomid 100/50/50/50
15-18 nolv 40/40/20/20

edit: I think I just answered my own question.

theres no real point of injecting deca twice a week

also theres a debate on whether clomid and nolvadex produce a syn effect on one of the stickies for pct

[MotoLifter]

theres no real point of injecting deca twice a week

also theres a debate on whether clomid and nolvadex produce a syn effect on one of the stickies for pct

if your injecting test twice a week why not add the deca to it? makes sense to me.

and what does clomid and nolva syn have to do with anything in this thread?


Moto

[tboney]

if your injecting test twice a week why not add the deca to it? makes sense to me.

and what does clomid and nolva syn have to do with anything in this thread?


Moto

Yea, I agree.

[Vitruvian-Man]

that winstrol is going to be useless IMO. I wouldn't throw it in there. You've got a bunch of bulking compounds... you shouldn't try and do a "bulk" and then "cut" right at the end of your cycle. Just use clen if you want to shed any additional BF you might be carrying from the cycle.

In any case, it's quite heavy for a second cycle. Hopefully you aren't too prone to MPB. (I'm sure you'll find out soon from that concoction of orals though )

[michael tyson]

that winstrol is going to be useless IMO. I wouldn't throw it in there. You've got a bunch of bulking compounds... you shouldn't try and do a "bulk" and then "cut" right at the end of your cycle. Just use clen if you want to shed any additional BF you might be carrying from the cycle.

In any case, it's quite heavy for a second cycle. Hopefully you aren't too prone to MPB. (I'm sure you'll find out soon from that concoction of orals though )

so are you saying the winny isn't going to be effective in hardening me up at the end of my bulking cycle? You are the first person of many who have seen my cycle that have suggested I cut the winny. Im not saying you are wrong, I'd just like some info on why its not a good idea. Appreciate all input.

[michael tyson]

prop at the end to transition into PCT faster. Dbol is used in beginner cycles, not sure why everyone is so scared of it all of the sudden.

[MotoLifter]

no one is scared of it, everyone is just wondering why bloat with dbol in the beginning then use winny to remove the bloat, when you can use the prop to kick stat, not deal with dbol water and not have to drop it in the end.


Moto

[michael tyson]

no one is scared of it, everyone is just wondering why bloat with dbol in the beginning then use winny to remove the bloat, when you can use the prop to kick stat, not deal with dbol water and not have to drop it in the end.


Moto

I see what you are saying for sure. The reason I dont mind dealing with the bloat in the beginning is because of the strength that will accompany the bloat(this cycle goal is mainly for strength). I think by doing the cycle how I have planned, I will gain and keep a lot of strength/mass. If I am mistaken please explain otherwise. Nothing tells me that doing Winny at the end of the cycle will reduce my strength or hurt my gains. If it will, please tell me.

[michael tyson]

Depending on how much water Im holding toward the end of the cycle, I may very well ditch the winny and save it for a cutter at a later date.

[michael tyson]

well, i think that just about settles it. thanks guys.