Swapping Aromasin with Letrozole for batteling estrogen+prolactin gyno on test/tren?

[Closetmonkey]

Hey guys!

Before I head off with my post, then here's some basic infos on myself...

Age: 26
Height: 5'11
Weight: 180
BF%: 9
Cycle Exp: Two prior cycles (1st: Test E and 2nd Sust + dbol)
Training Exp: 5 years

With my prior cycles I've not emphasized very much on dieting wich resulted in not gaining that much from the first two runs I made. However, after a look in the mirror I decided to get my act together, so I've been running with a clean diet for almost 3 years now, which have lead me to some nice and steady gains. However, seeing I've gotten the most important aspect of this down, the diet, I want to try to hit some more hard mass onto the frame.

The cycle I am planning on is as follows:

1-8: 75mg Trenbolone Acetate EOD
1-8: 100mg Testosterone Propionate EOD
6-8: 500iu HCG EOD
1-8: 200mg B6 Vitamin ED
0-8: 25mg Aromasin ED

PCT (2 days after last injection)
Week 9 40mg Nolvadex ED x 25mg Aromasin ED x 500 iu HCG EOD x 160 mcg Clenbuterol ED
Week 10 40mg Nolvadex ED x 25mg Aromasin ED x 500 iu HCG EOD x 160 mcg Clenbuterol ED
Week 11 20mg Nolvadex ED x 25mg Aromasin ED x 160 mcg Clenbuterol ED x 50 mg Benedryl ED
Week 12 20mg Nolvadex ED x 25mg Aromasin ED x 160 mcg Clenbuterol ED
Week 13 160 mcg Clenbuterol ED

The reason for choosing the test/tren combo is that I want to avoid the bloaty look (I hate it). I love staying some what lean all year around. The "Baby not with the lights on - I'm bulking"-excuse doesn't really work. Plus I'm hearing tren should have some amazing body transformation capabilities in it also.

Other than wanting the usual feedback on the cycle in general I have a question nagging about it.

- If I swapped out Aromasin with Letrozole, would it then effectively cover the possible gyno effects? Both estrogenic and from the prolactins.

[RogerB17]

letro will not protect you from prolactin related gyno-thats what caber is for

[Closetmonkey]

I just though I read somewhere that Letro could be used for batteling both.. Like a two in one drug.

Caber is .25mg E3D during cycle and PCT, correct?

[D7M]

Hey guys!

Before I head off with my post, then here's some basic infos on myself...

Age: 26
Height: 5'11
Weight: 170
BF%: 9
Cycle Exp: Two prior cycles (1st: Test E and 2nd Sust + dbol)
Training Exp: 5 years

With my prior cycles I've not emphasized very much on dieting wich resulted in not gaining that much from the first two runs I made. However, after a look in the mirror I decided to get my act together, so I've been running with a clean diet for almost 3 years now, which have lead me to some nice and steady gains. However, seeing I've gotten the most important aspect of this down, the diet, I want to try to hit some more hard mass onto the frame.

The cycle I am planning on is as follows:

1-8: 75mg Trenbolone Acetate EOD
1-8: 100mg Testosterone Propionate EOD
6-8: 500iu HCG EOD
1-8: 200mg B6 Vitamin ED
0-8: 25mg Aromasin ED

PCT (2 days after last injection)
Week 9 40mg Nolvadex ED x 25mg Aromasin ED x 500 iu HCG EOD x 160 mcg Clenbuterol ED
Week 10 40mg Nolvadex ED x 25mg Aromasin ED x 500 iu HCG EOD x 160 mcg Clenbuterol ED
Week 11 20mg Nolvadex ED x 25mg Aromasin ED x 160 mcg Clenbuterol ED x 50 mg Benedryl ED
Week 12 20mg Nolvadex ED x 25mg Aromasin ED x 160 mcg Clenbuterol ED
Week 13 160 mcg Clenbuterol ED

The reason for choosing the test/tren combo is that I want to avoid the bloaty look (I hate it). I love staying some what lean all year around. The "Baby not with the lights on - I'm bulking"-excuse doesn't really work. Plus I'm hearing tren should have some amazing body transformation capabilities in it also.

Other than wanting the usual feedback on the cycle in general I have a question nagging about it.

- If I swapped out Aromasin with Letrozole, would it then effectively cover the possible gyno effects? Both estrogenic and from the prolactins.

Aromasin is an excellent AI, even though you're running it a bit on the high side, imo. 10mg/ED should be fine. Do you know if you are you extremely gyno prone from your previous cycles?

If you do use letro, since it will crush almost all of your estrogen, I would only use a low dose (.5mg mon, wed, fri would be fine).

letro will not protect you from prolactin related gyno-thats what caber is for

^True, but if you control estrogen, you shouldn't have a problem with prolactin.

I just though I read somewhere that Letro could be used for batteling both.. Like a two in one drug.

Caber is .25mg E3D during cycle and PCT, correct?

^Yep.

[CanYouDigIt]

Don't wanna be rude or anything but in your post it says you have your diet under control, and u've been training for 5 years and running a clean diet for 3 years, but yet you are only 170 n you've done 2 cycles up till now?

[TITANIUM]

HCG X 2 wk @ 250 IU's

Aromasin .25 mgs eod should be fine.

Are you gyno prone?

No Hcg during PCT

Since you are using aromasin during cycle, just clomid would suffice for pct.

You need to work up the clen and back down, I would wait until I was done with PCT.

Letro is for a last resort, as it will wipe your body clean of all estrogen.

Caber or bromo should be ran for prolactin sides.

Best

T

[TITANIUM]

Aromasin is an excellent AI, even though you're running it a bit on the high side, imo. 10mg/ED should be fine. Do you know if you are you extremely gyno prone from your previous cycles?

If you do use letro, since it will crush almost all of your estrogen, I would only use a low dose (.5mg mon, wed, fri would be fine).




^True, but if you control estrogen, you shouldn't have a problem with prolactin.



^Yep.

D7M is fast!!!

Best

T

[Closetmonkey]

Don't wanna be rude or anything but in your post it says you have your diet under control, and u've been training for 5 years and running a clean diet for 3 years, but yet you are only 170 n you've done 2 cycles up till now?

Sorry bro.. wrongfully entered 170.. Corrected it to 180 wich is correct.. Dunno if that changes your mindset on me though..
But you're right. With the 2 cycles I could have been higher, however I have to admit I was too young to have started out and I relied on information provided by friends rather than reading up myself.
This will however not be the case this time.

[CanYouDigIt]

I see then, if you've done your research and ready for this one, then congrats and GL hope you gain well this time

[TITANIUM]

Sorry bro.. wrongfully entered 170.. Corrected it to 180 wich is correct.. Dunno if that changes your mindset on me though..
But you're right. With the 2 cycles I could have been higher, however I have to admit I was too young to have started out and I relied on information provided by friends rather than reading up myself.
This will however not be the case this time.

Have you had recent lab work done?

(I ask this alot here).

Lipids, natty test, ect......

Best

T

[Closetmonkey]

It's been a while since I've had my blood analyzed, but they're up to par a week after the last cycle's PCT ended.

I will ofc. get a new test made before I undergo this cycle. My doctor even agreed to check my numbers in-cycle if I wanted. He's cool that way.

@Titanium: In regards to the no HCG for the PCT comment, then why not? I mean the tren should really suppress the natural production of test. Why not give it the full boost?

In regards to the clen. I've been trying a few approaches on this drug. Both starting low, with a few different approaches, and boosting it from the start. I've not seen any difference in blood pressure or sides though.

[Closetmonkey]

Regards to the gyno sensitivity: Forgot to add that the last cycle I ran, I encountered a lump under the right nipple, which faded away after about two weeks of nolvadex treatment. That's why I wanted to make sure the AI was present at a proper dosage.

[TITANIUM]

It's been a while since I've had my blood analyzed, but they're up to par a week after the last cycle's PCT ended.

I will ofc. get a new test made before I undergo this cycle. My doctor even agreed to check my numbers in-cycle if I wanted. He's cool that way.

@Titanium: In regards to the no HCG for the PCT comment, then why not? I mean the tren should really suppress the natural production of test. Why not give it the full boost?

In regards to the clen. I've been trying a few approaches on this drug. Both starting low, with a few different approaches, and boosting it from the start. I've not seen any difference in blood pressure or sides though.

Yes, it slams the testees down, but running it during is what has been found to be more beneficial, prepping the testees for PCT.

It will keep them from atrophy during cycle making them recover quicker and keep them functioning during cycle.

Clen, I feel , is better ran during your off cycle time, when your body is not trying to recover from the cycle and right itself.

That one is up to you though, as many run it during PCT.

So, that is just my opinion on the clen.

Best

T

[oakdad]

Aromasin doesn't lower Prolactin.
I am using Aromasin for my HRT and was getting Prolactin Levels of 130ish, before the doc put me on Prami. Oh and I am only taking 200mg of Test C. a week.
I also agree odds are you could get away with less Aromasin. I take but a 1/4 a day and I am sure my BF% is way higher than yours.

[Closetmonkey]

Alright.. I'll try to turn the AI dose down to 10mg/ED as suggested by D7M. Can always bump it if I start feeling tingly I guess.

In regards of Aromasin lowering prolactin or not, I was aware of that.. Was unsure about letro though, but Caber is the way to go.

@TITANIUM: The sole purpose of getting the clen in isn't for it's fat loss effects but rather an attempt to battle the elevated cortisone levels post-cycle.
I'm definitely going to run it and see how it does. If I'm going to hammer it, as it shows now, or raise it slowly I don't know yet. I will probably go with the latter.

The newly rewieved cycle will look something in the line of this:

1-8: 75mg Trenbolone Acetate EOD
1-8: 100mg Testosterone Propionate EOD
6-8: 500iu HCG EOD
1-8: 200mg B6 Vitamin ED
0-8: 10mg Aromasin ED
1-8: .25mg Cabergoline E3D

PCT (2 days after last injection)
Week 9 40mg Nolvadex ED x 10mg Aromasin ED x 160 mcg Clenbuterol ED x .25mg Cabergoline E3D
Week 10 40mg Nolvadex ED x 10mg Aromasin ED x 160 mcg Clenbuterol ED x .25mg Cabergoline E3D
Week 11 20mg Nolvadex ED x 10mg Aromasin ED x 160 mcg Clenbuterol ED x 50 mg Benedryl ED x .25mg Cabergoline E3D
Week 12 20mg Nolvadex ED x 10mg Aromasin ED x 160 mcg Clenbuterol ED x .25mg Cabergoline E3D
Week 13 160 mcg Clenbuterol ED

Sadly I cannot get a hold of clomid at the moment as suggested.