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[thebigfella]

just found out that when i have been dosing my test e at 750mg i was only actualy geting 524mg of actual test

so when a newb is doing 500mg test e he is actually only geting 348mg of actualy test

just thought i would share this info with anyone who didnt no

[*Thiago*]

How did u get those figures ??

[Phate]

How did u get those figures ??

he's using the total mg amount and subtracting the ester weight

for example: 100mg of test cyp contains: 69.9mg of test and 30.1mg of the cypionate ester, so for every 100mg of test cyp you inject you are getting 69.9mg of test

but for test prop you get 89.1mg of test and 10.9mg of ester per 100mg


the estered attached to steroids are composed of fatty acid chains that must be broken down for the hormone to be metabolized, the bigger the ester, the longer it takes to break down, but also the less test you get per set amount

this is why people that run test suspension report huge gains in such a short period of time, they are getting 100mg of test per 100mg injected


btw, all this neglects bioavailability and metabolization efficiency, but it's a good general guideline

[bigjoe30]

so couldn't you just bump up the dose you are taking?

[Big]

when we advise 500mg/week for a first cycle, we factored in that part of that is ester weight and not 500mg of pure hormone. the average male produces approximately 7mg/day of test, 49mg/week, so the 500mg/week of injectable test is substantially higher even with the ester attached.

[Bonaparte]

so couldn't you just bump up the dose you are taking?

Well yeah, obviously. But why? When we recommend 500mg of long-estered test for a first cycle, we mean 500mg of test+ester. The ester is already factored in. Also, with longer esters, they build up higher than short esters, which kinda balances it all out.
Goddamn it, Big beat me to it!

[Phate]

when we advise 500mg/week for a first cycle, we factored in that part of that is ester weight and not 500mg of pure hormone. the average male produces approximately 7mg/day of test, 49mg/week, so the 500mg/week of injectable test is substantially higher even with the ester attached.

yep^^^


to bigjoe: it's just a good way to figure out questions like, "If i can run 600mg/wk of test cyp, how much test prop should i use?"

well now you know how to get the answer

[*Thiago*]

when we advise 500mg/week for a first cycle, we factored in that part of that is ester weight and not 500mg of pure hormone. the average male produces approximately 7mg/day of test, 49mg/week, so the 500mg/week of injectable test is substantially higher even with the ester attached.

You are referring to Test E ?

[Big]

You are referring to Test E ?

or test c, we typically like long esters for a first cycle until someone gets used to pinning.

[Hard.On]

when we advise 500mg/week for a first cycle, we factored in that part of that is ester weight and not 500mg of pure hormone. the average male produces approximately 7mg/day of test, 49mg/week, so the 500mg/week of injectable test is substantially higher even with the ester attached.

very interesting.
I did not know this.

I think everyone should know this

[Big]

I think everyone should know this

I agree. we get so many guys thinking they must need 750 or 1000mg/week to grow, they often don't realize that it's the diet that's limiting them, not the test level. many guys take a cycle at 500mg/week with a piss-poor diet, don't gain what they expect, then assume they need more gear to grow.