Diet and Cycle

[Hatchet_Man]

ey guys, I am trying to get as many opinions as I can. I did my best to put together a cycle with a diet and all. My goals are to get great definition, some strength and size gains, but mainly as great of cuts as possible. I was recommended this cycle, but also heard that Tbol and var, or winny would work. Not looking to be a bodybuilder, dont wanna squat 600 pounds or anything. Just look great. Any advice would be very appreciated.
Also I am getting my bf down naturally to 14% or lower before starting any cycle.


Stats:
5'8
180
18%bf
age - 24
Athletic

Measures
chest 46 inch
shoulders 54 inch
bicep unflexed 14.5inch

Cycle
Test Prop-125mg EOD for 8 weeks
T/bol-60mg ED for 6 weeks

PCT plan
PCT
wk 1, 100 mg clomid, 40 mg Nolva
wk 2, 50 mg clomid, 40 mg Nolva
wk 3, 50 mg clomid, 20 mg Nolva
wk 4, 50 mg clomid, 20 mg Nolva

Workout plan
Day One
Chest and Biceps

Incline Bench 3 sets x 10 sets
Seated Dumb BellCurls 3 rsets x 12 reps
Flat Bench 3 sets x 10 reps
Preacher Curls 3 sets x 10 reps
Decline Bench 3 sets x 10 reps
Standing barbell curls 3 Sets x 10 reps
Pec Dec(Butterfly) 3 sets x 10 reps
30 minute medium intensity cardio.

Day Two
Legs and Abs(do abs 2 times a week)
Squats 3 sets x 8 Reps
Leg Press 3 sets x 8 Reps
Hamstring Curls 3 sets x 10 reps
Leg Extensions 3 sets x 12 reps
Calf Raises 3 sets x 10 Reps
Front Crunches – 30 Seconds(ABs)
Right/Left side Crunches – 30 Seconds each(Abs)
Flat Plank – 30 Seconds(Abs)
Right/Left Plank – 30 Seconds each(Abs)

Day Three
Back and Triceps
Lat Pulldowns 3 sets x 10 reps
Over head Extensions 3 Sets x 10 Reps
One arm dumbbell rows 3 sets x 12 reps
Seated Rows 3 Sets x 12 reps
Dumb bell KickBacks 3 sets x 12 reps
Bent Over Dumbell rows 3 sets x 10 reps
Reverse tricep cable pulldowns 3 sets x 10 reps
30 minutes medium intensity cardio

Day 4
Shoulders/Traps
Bent Over Dumbell raises 3 sets x 10 reps
Dumbell shrugs 3 Sets x 12 reps
Upright barbell rows 3 Sets x 10 Reps
Shoulder Press 3 Sets x 10 Reps
Bent over dumbbell lateral raises 3 Sets x 12 Reps
Frontal dumbbell raises 3 sets x 12 Reps
30 minutes of medium cardio

Day Five
60 minutes of medium cardio

Then 1 day rest then add a set and move up weight if possible.

Diet
7am:
2scoops whey isolate
1/2c oats
55/3/29/242


9:00 am
6 egg whites
2 whole eggs
1 c oatmeal
3 omeaga 3 6 9 caps
45/14/54/570

11:30
1 can of tuna
1/2 c oatmeal
55/3/29/278


1:30pm
6oz chicken
med. sweet pat.
1 c green beans
3 omega caps
50.8/7/31.3/481


4:00
6oz chicken
1 tbs nat pnb
51.5/11/3/350


6:00
6oz chicken
1 c green beans
3 omega caps
49.5/7.5/7.5/345

WORK OUT 7-8PM

9:00
2 scoops casin
1tbs nat pnb
49.5/11/7/330

[mg1228]

whats ur tdee---how long have u been eating like that?

dont look bad---u could reach ur goals without aas---diet will dictate on or off cycle

[Hatchet_Man]

Tdee is 2700-2800.

[Hatchet_Man]

would test prop and winny be better?
or Winny and Tren or Halo? or even tbol and var?
looking for the best cycle for best results, less sides. You senior members gotta help a guy out.

[mg1228]

u cycled before?

[mg1228]

results come from diet--believe that

[Hatchet_Man]

no this is my first cycle.

[Hatchet_Man]

I know about the diet being 90% of the results. I posted it, what do you think?

[mg1228]

can u total up the day for us?

[Hatchet_Man]

what do you mean total up the day?

[mg1228]

ey guys, I am trying to get as many opinions as I can. I did my best to put together a cycle with a diet and all. My goals are to get great definition, some strength and size gains, but mainly as great of cuts as possible. I was recommended this cycle, but also heard that Tbol and var, or winny would work. Not looking to be a bodybuilder, dont wanna squat 600 pounds or anything. Just look great. Any advice would be very appreciated.
Also I am getting my bf down naturally to 14% or lower before starting any cycle.


Stats:
5'8
180
18%bf
age - 24
Athletic

Measures
chest 46 inch
shoulders 54 inch
bicep unflexed 14.5inch

Cycle
Test Prop-125mg EOD for 8 weeks
T/bol-60mg ED for 6 weeks

PCT plan
PCT
wk 1, 100 mg clomid, 40 mg Nolva
wk 2, 50 mg clomid, 40 mg Nolva
wk 3, 50 mg clomid, 20 mg Nolva
wk 4, 50 mg clomid, 20 mg Nolva

Workout plan
Day One
Chest and Biceps

Incline Bench 3 sets x 10 sets
Seated Dumb BellCurls 3 rsets x 12 reps
Flat Bench 3 sets x 10 reps
Preacher Curls 3 sets x 10 reps
Decline Bench 3 sets x 10 reps
Standing barbell curls 3 Sets x 10 reps
Pec Dec(Butterfly) 3 sets x 10 reps
30 minute medium intensity cardio.

Day Two
Legs and Abs(do abs 2 times a week)
Squats 3 sets x 8 Reps
Leg Press 3 sets x 8 Reps
Hamstring Curls 3 sets x 10 reps
Leg Extensions 3 sets x 12 reps
Calf Raises 3 sets x 10 Reps
Front Crunches – 30 Seconds(ABs)
Right/Left side Crunches – 30 Seconds each(Abs)
Flat Plank – 30 Seconds(Abs)
Right/Left Plank – 30 Seconds each(Abs)

Day Three
Back and Triceps
Lat Pulldowns 3 sets x 10 reps
Over head Extensions 3 Sets x 10 Reps
One arm dumbbell rows 3 sets x 12 reps
Seated Rows 3 Sets x 12 reps
Dumb bell KickBacks 3 sets x 12 reps
Bent Over Dumbell rows 3 sets x 10 reps
Reverse tricep cable pulldowns 3 sets x 10 reps
30 minutes medium intensity cardio

Day 4
Shoulders/Traps
Bent Over Dumbell raises 3 sets x 10 reps
Dumbell shrugs 3 Sets x 12 reps
Upright barbell rows 3 Sets x 10 Reps
Shoulder Press 3 Sets x 10 Reps
Bent over dumbbell lateral raises 3 Sets x 12 Reps
Frontal dumbbell raises 3 sets x 12 Reps
30 minutes of medium cardio

Day Five
60 minutes of medium cardio

Then 1 day rest then add a set and move up weight if possible.

Diet
7am:
2scoops whey isolate
1/2c oats
55/3/29/242


9:00 am
6 egg whites
2 whole eggs
1 c oatmeal
3 omeaga 3 6 9 caps
45/14/54/570

11:30
1 can of tuna
1/2 c oatmeal
55/3/29/278


1:30pm
6oz chickencheck macros--4oz chicken breast should b 120 cals 24gr protein and 2isgr fat
med. sweet pat.
1 c green beans
3 omega caps
50.8/7/31.3/481


4:00
6oz chickenmacros? should b 180 cals plus the 90 in pb=270 not 350
1 tbs nat pnb
51.5/11/3/350


6:00
6oz chickenmacros?--not 345 cals there
1 c green beans
3 omega caps
49.5/7.5/7.5/345

WORK OUT 7-8PM

9:00do 2 scoops whey at 8:15 with carb or fat source and at 9:15 do a real meal
2 scoops casin
1tbs nat pnb
49.5/11/7/330

see bold

[mg1228]

what do you mean total up the day?

total up cals and macros for the day---after u recheck them(chicken)

[Hatchet_Man]

Okay, what do you think of the cycle though? is it the best one for my goals? I am working on the macros. What if i started befoer i got my bf down?

[mg1228]

yea i like test prop---dont really know what t-bol is

im on 125mg prop eod myself--in week 10

the higher the bf the more risk of sides

[Hatchet_Man]

what about test susp and winny?

[Hatchet_Man]

Also, I will be getting the bf down. no point of risking more sides, when a little hard work can get it down.

[mg1228]

what about test susp and winny?

dont matter what kind of test u run really---they just have diff esters and half lifes---just go with the prop---winny prob wont do much for ya other than making ur joints hurt unless u get under 10%

[Hatchet_Man]

test and Tbol it is. thanks bro, I appreciate it. I prefer getting advice from here rather then "my guy" cause he is just trying to make money. I will keep the boards updated, pm or anything if you have anyother advice.