8 weeks dbols - need PCT?

[YoungGunsNY]

This is a quicky - I planned on running a full blown cycle - dbols for 8 weeks.. during the 5th week add in test/deca - pct in week 12 but i changed my mind about the test/deca - so im wondering if i sttill need some PCT for jus dbols and if so whats best regimen? THANKS

[dock holliday]

are you serious or being a troll? have you researched dbol? if so, why would you not need PCT? if you don't, you will get water bloated and bigger. start losing everything, and quit working out due to frustration, and be smaller than when you started.

dbol alone cycles are not practical, even with PCT

[Bonaparte]

are you serious or being a troll? have you researched dbol? if so, why would you not need PCT? if you don't, you will get water bloated and bigger. start losing everything, and quit working out due to frustration, and be smaller than when you started.

dbol alone cycles are not practical, even with PCT

Please don't give advice if you don't know what you're talking about. Yes, he should use a SERM for PCT, but not because of those absurd reasons.

[jjfman]

Alright mate I ran a 4weeks dbol only cycle and had good results with no noticeable sides. My pct was nolva and clomid ran for 4weeks, since coming off dbol I've lost nothing in size or strength, in fact I have gained but my diet and workout will of played a huge part in this.

Good luck mate

[ak3179]

Alright mate I ran a 4weeks dbol only cycle and had good results with no noticeable sides. My pct was nolva and clomid ran for 4weeks, since coming off dbol I've lost nothing in size or strength, in fact I have gained but my diet and workout will of played a huge part in this.

Good luck mate

I was just wondering what your size and strength gains were from your dbol only cycle? I was just curious because I am going to start a dbol only cycle her in the next few days but everyone is telling me that I will loose everything and it is a bad idea. I have a couple of friends that did a dbol only cycle and they had great results from it also.

[dec11]

This is a quicky - I planned on running a full blown cycle - dbols for 8 weeks.. during the 5th week add in test/deca - pct in week 12 but i changed my mind about the test/deca - so im wondering if i sttill need some PCT for jus dbols and if so whats best regimen? THANKS

bad planning, you obv dont know what you are doing, dbol is one the worse for shutting down so yes you do need pct, for everything

[jjfman]

I was just wondering what your size and strength gains were from your dbol only cycle? I was just curious because I am going to start a dbol only cycle her in the next few days but everyone is telling me that I will loose everything and it is a bad idea. I have a couple of friends that did a dbol only cycle and they had great results from it also.

check my log of all results gained on cycle
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=420694

but diet, good workout and rest is hugely important i got them all sorted b4 i cycled and that definatley helped me keep gains whilst doin pct.

[lexruger]

check my log of all results gained on cycle
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=420694

but diet, good workout and rest is hugely important i got them all sorted b4 i cycled and that definatley helped me keep gains whilst doin pct.

This guy to dbol only cycles is like allah to the muslims... they're savior You havent lost any weight? Im gonna call bullshit on that one, and if you didnt, you think that 10lbs or whatever you supposedly gained is all muscle? Get a clue! Yes it can build lean muscle but it is mostly water weight. It's used to kickstart cycles not to be one

[jordann]

Anyone doing a dbol only cycle has not done their research and should not be using AAS.

[Nooomoto]

8 weeks of dbol, huh? That sounds like a great idea.

[jjfman]

This guy to dbol only cycles is like allah to the muslims... they're savior You havent lost any weight? Im gonna call bullshit on that one, and if you didnt, you think that 10lbs or whatever you supposedly gained is all muscle? Get a clue! Yes it can build lean muscle but it is mostly water weight. It's used to kickstart cycles not to be one

Call bullshit all youwant wiseguy but it's my body I know what's happened to it. If you read the thread it does say I have lost weight but continued to gains strength......dropped water weight!!! It worked for me so why can't people just accept that and congratulate the fact I had a good cycle.

[Bonaparte]

bad planning, you obv dont know what you are doing, dbol is one the worse for shutting down so yes you do need pct, for everything

Dbol is actually not very suppressive. Mainly because of its 3-keto alteration and because it has a short active life. I've seen a study where patients were given 100mg/day for several months, and their test and lh values were only diminished by around 30%. I'll try to find it again, since I find myself bringing this point up all too often.

[c-Z]

Dbol is actually not very suppressive. Mainly because of its 3-keto alteration and because it has a short active life. I've seen a study where patients were given 100mg/day for several months, and their test and lh values were only diminished by around 30%. I'll try to find it again, since I find myself bringing this point up all too often.

Please do so. 100mg a day? most don't even use half that amount. And running a dose that high for that long.... I wouldn't think your liver would be able to last much longer. Not to mention I am sure you would have some nasty estrogen related side affects.

[Fetch]

Yes, do a PCT. Nolva/Clomid 4 weeks.

Side note, I finished a 10 week cycle of DBol around 8 weeks ago. Gained around 15-18 pounds, have since lost about 3 or 4. I've actually made further strength gains since coming off. I'm not saying it's the best idea to cycle DBol only (I thought I was stacking it, but my Sust was fake), but with proper diet and PCT, you don't neccessarily totally deflate.

[jjfman]

but with proper diet and PCT, you don't neccessarily totally deflate.

my point exactly I don't see how people can be so negative when they have not ran dbol alone and just heard about it beig bad mouthed.

[jordann]

my point exactly I don't see how people can be so negative when they have not ran dbol alone and just heard about it beig bad mouthed.

Nobody runs dbol only cycles except impatient, inexperienced people like yourself.

I swear this board should have a mandatory IQ test to pass before you can post.

[jjfman]

Dbol only with good cycle support, good pct and good diet can be an effective cycle. End of.

["DIRTY D" SANCHEZ]

Setup for liver problems/pain. Terrible from the get go

start fro scratch- diet and regimen

"dirty d"

[dec11]

Dbol is actually not very suppressive. Mainly because of its 3-keto alteration and because it has a short active life. I've seen a study where patients were given 100mg/day for several months, and their test and lh values were only diminished by around 30%. I'll try to find it again, since I find myself bringing this point up all too often.

bollocks, it is suppressive, i know 1st hand

[dec11]

my point exactly I don't see how people can be so negative when they have not ran dbol alone and just heard about it beig bad mouthed.

i have and its shit, now get over it

[jordann]

Dbol only with good cycle support, good pct and good diet can be an effective cycle. End of.

You can say that about anything. Training naturally with a good diet will get you the same results with no sides. Keep living in your fantasy world of dbol only cycles, but do us a favour and take the 95% of the other uneducated members with you.

[YoungGunsNY]

wow thanks for the flame in the beginning buddy - I was originally using the dbols to kickstart my cycle - but due to complications with my brother/my workout partner whos not my workout partner anymore .. i decided not to mainly because he was goin to buy the stuff and had the hook-up for pharmacy grade test&deca..im not touchin dirty/cheap street stuff.. so thats why

[Teufel_Hunden]

Don't bother with dbol only. Save the dbol and wait until you get some test.

[Bonaparte]

bollocks, it is suppressive, i know 1st hand

And how do you know how suppressive it was? Did you take it in a controlled study with frequent bloodwork? Or did it just make you lethargic? Because lethargy can be independent from suppression. Dbol makes me lethargic after a day or two, but it sure as hell isn't because I'm shut down.

[Jbert22]

Youngguns. Disregard most of these replies. Running a dbol only cycle could do more harm than good. Pct will be needed. Surprised nobody asked for your stats.

[Jbert22]

Youngguns. Disregard most of these replies. Running a dbol only cycle could do more harm than good. Pct will be needed. Surprised nobody asked for your stats.

[jared530]

I was excited to open this thread so I can read all the flaming. lol

[Ashop]

This is a quicky - I planned on running a full blown cycle - dbols for 8 weeks.. during the 5th week add in test/deca - pct in week 12 but i changed my mind about the test/deca - so im wondering if i sttill need some PCT for jus dbols and if so whats best regimen? THANKS

Yes,,you most definitely need a proper PCT.

[dec11]

And how do you know how suppressive it was? Did you take it in a controlled study with frequent bloodwork? Or did it just make you lethargic? Because lethargy can be independent from suppression. Dbol makes me lethargic after a day or two, but it sure as hell isn't because I'm shut down.

why do you always parrot bloodwork, just cos you've read it on here? its fookin boring. i knw when my sex drive has dived and why, and when the hell did i mention being lethargic?

[Bonaparte]

why do you always parrot bloodwork, just cos you've read it on here? its fookin boring. i knw when my sex drive has dived and why, and when the hell did i mention being lethargic?

I don't parrot anything. A testosterone blood test (and maybe a saliva test) is the only real way to assess hpta suppression. That is a fact. Lots of things can affect sex drive independently of testosterone. Hell, anti-depressants lower libido, but that doesn't mean that they are suppressive. I'm not saying that Dbol isn't suppressive (it is, mainly due to the E2 that it converts to), just that it is one of the least suppressive compounds out there.

[dec11]

I don't parrot anything. A testosterone blood test (and maybe a saliva test) is the only real way to assess hpta suppression. That is a fact. Lots of things can affect sex drive independently of testosterone. Hell, anti-depressants lower libido, but that doesn't mean that they are suppressive. I'm not saying that Dbol isn't suppressive (it is, mainly due to the E2 that it converts to), just that it is one of the least suppressive compounds out there.

rubbish

[magic32]

As to be expected in a Dbol only conversation, this thread is littered with assorted myths, parroted mistruths and a whole lot of flat out fiction. I don’t claim to be the foremost steroid authority, but I do feel both experientially and learnedly qualified to answer most of these questions…no offense to anyone!!!

YES - you can make significant and sustainable gains from a Dbol only cycle.
YES - you do need to take PCT afterwards, as with a full cycle of any gear whether merely suppressed or shut down.
NO - you can’t keep all of your gains from this type of cycle, because the high amount of aromatization expressly forbids it.
NO - 8wks of Dbol only is not a good idea for several very obvious reasons (read the profile).

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I hope that answers the questions. Nevertheless, there are FAR better cycles (even for the needle squeamish) than Dbol only!!!

["DIRTY D" SANCHEZ]

i don't parrot anything. A testosterone blood test (and maybe a saliva test) is the only real way to assess hpta suppression. That is a fact. Lots of things can affect sex drive independently of testosterone. Hell, anti-depressants lower libido, but that doesn't mean that they are suppressive. I'm not saying that dbol isn't suppressive (it is, mainly due to the e2 that it converts to), just that it is one of the least suppressive compounds out there.

not true- anyone who knows their body, would know when their test levels are dropping, or below par. When i came off of cycle without pct when i was younger, i could tell when mine dropped after two or three weeks. I didn't have the drive for about 3 more weeks. Maybe a month. So this is bs. Ask 97% of the people who know shit about hpta and or libido issues and they will tell you the exavt same thing this whole thread told you.

You can gain big with it only, but you will lose a lot, and most likely you will lose the urge to have sex for about a month after you get off. Maybe even while you are on.

"dirty d"

P.S.- IT IS NOT ONE OF THE LESS SUPPRESSIVE AAS, VAR IS. NOT DBOL. DBOL IS ONE OF THE MOST HARSH AAS MAN. C'MON DUDE GET A JOB

[Bonaparte]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7018798

I'm still waiting on a friend who is a grad student to get me the full study and any related ones

Although that little abstract doesn't quite prove my point yet, it does prove that I'm not just pulling these 100mg Dbol studies out of my ass.

Oh, and BTW, the Methandrostenolone profile on steroid.com does cite this study, and apparently there was about 60% test and lh suppression after 6 weeks at 100mg a day. Still not that bad, considering the monster doses of pharmaceutical grade Dbol and the insane amount of suppressive estrogen that came with it. An AI would have greatly reduced this suppression (which I would def recommend with such a high amount of Dbol).

[DaBullet]

As to be expected in a Dbol only conversation, this thread is littered with assorted myths, parroted mistruths and a whole lot of flat out fiction. I don’t claim to be the foremost steroid authority, but I do feel both experientially and learnedly qualified to answer most of these questions…no offense to anyone!!!

YES - you can make significant and sustainable gains from a Dbol only cycle.
YES - you do need to take PCT afterwards, as with a full cycle of any gear whether merely suppressed or shut down.
NO - you can’t keep all of your gains from this type of cycle, because the high amount of aromatization expressly forbids it.
NO - 8wks of Dbol only is not a good idea for several very obvious reasons (read the profile).

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Barring Dr. Frankenstein, whose experiments were largely based on creating life, I can’t POSSIBLY imagine any scientist who’d have the audacity much less the IRB (Institutional Review Board’s) authorization for human subjects, or even a pseudo-decent reason for desiring to administer 100mgs ED in a short or long-term study!!! But that’s me, and maybe my imagination is limited, so I’ll be more than happy to apologize once/if this seemingly conveniently missing study should ever surface.

I hope that answers the questions. Nevertheless, there are FAR better cycles (even for the needle squeamish) than Dbol only!!!

you tell them Magic!! man is on fire!! One day I hope to have your knowledge. But come on bro of course you need a pct, you need a pct for PH cycles why wouldnt you when taking the real deal. Good luck bro.

[Hard.On]

Declan11
I feel the pain in your posts.

So many people giving terrible advice.
Most threads are turning into arguments,
and it sucks when you know your right.

[magic32]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7018798

I'm still waiting on a friend who is a grad student to get me the full study and any related ones

Although that little abstract doesn't quite prove my point yet, it does prove that I'm not just pulling these 100mg Dbol studies out of my ass.

Oh, and BTW, the Methandrostenolone profile on steroid.com does cite this study, and apparently there was about 60% test and lh suppression after 6 weeks at 100mg a day. Still not that bad, considering the monster doses of pharmaceutical grade Dbol and the insane amount of suppressive estrogen that came with it. An AI would have greatly reduced this suppression (which I would def recommend with such a high amount of Dbol).

Good post and source citing Bona.
I edited the above post, and my sincere apologies bru!!!

[Bonaparte]

Good post and source citing Bona.
I edited the above post, and my sincere apologies bru!!!

Why thank you!
And just to clarify: I am by no means saying that Dbol doesn't require PCT. I am just pointing out (and now in the process of proving with arguments backed by scientific studies*) that it is not nearly as suppressive as commonly believed.

*as opposed to bro science, or the infallible "boner test", where some guy assesses his testosterone levels by how horny he feels/how many wet bath towels he can hang from his erect member.

[dec11]

Why thank you!
And just to clarify: I am by no means saying that Dbol doesn't require PCT. I am just pointing out (and now in the process of proving with arguments backed by scientific studies*) that it is not nearly as suppressive as commonly believed.

*as opposed to bro science, or the infallible "boner test", where some guy assesses his testosterone levels by how horny he feels/how many wet bath towels he can hang from his erect member.

some of us arent tht immature mate, i say what i say based on personal experience

[dec11]

Declan11
I feel the pain in your posts.

So many people giving terrible advice.
Most threads are turning into arguments,
and it sucks when you know your right.

yeah mate, tell me about it. this place should be called contradiction.com lol