14 week progress

[LiftedDuramax2007]

The first pic were right before xmas. I was around 240lbs


3 weeks ago
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2 weeks ago


Yesterday at 215lbs I was at 208 before I started this cycle. Im on week 5 of the cycle. I know ALOT of you will say my BF % is too high and I do agree. But Im confident I can come out of this cycle looking bigger and descently leaner.
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[LiftedDuramax2007]

7 weeks to go on my Test E only cycle

Im hoping to come out of it at 225 but also down atleast 2% BF more. Hoping I can drop 3%

And then Ill cut up slowly until I can cycle again but this time be around 12%

Criticisim welcome

Let me knwo if you guys notice a big change since the 3 weeks ago and yesterdays pics

[LiftedDuramax2007]

nobody? I thought atleast someone would come in and tell me I shouldve lost more weight before starting
Anyways its kicking in hard now. This is what my chest day looked like right before I started pinning. Keep in mind no matter how well I ate I just couldnt add weight to my workouts anymore. I rested right and did everything pretty well and just couldnt progress. Found out my natural test levels were pretty damn low. I had the test on me for over a year and this is what helped me decided I was starting now.
Flat Bench
10*165
10*185
10*205
4*225
DB Incline
60*10
70*10
80*10
90*5
Machined flies
10*160
10*175
10*190
10*205

Todays chest day
Had a pretty good day at the gym today. Did chest only
Flat bench
8*185
8*205
9*225
5*245
DB Incline bench
65*10
75*10
85*10
95*10
110*5
Machined flies
12*190
12*220
12*235
12*250

[Superhero d-bolman]

honestly i don't think you should of cycled that way. You should of used Test prop instead and threw some t-3 and cyctomel, its also hard to tell how good your muscle gains have been since you have a high BF%. Sadly i consider this cycle to be a failure. but don't worry lots of people have failed on their cycle, including me to a degree.

[Booz]

you said it yourself mate..................
you should have lost more weight before you started a cycle................
i can see a change with the 1st pic n the last as in the weight you have lost but nothing in muscle difference as you are carrying too much bf still...........imo...
props for posting pics mate i just think you have jumped on too early.............

[LiftedDuramax2007]

you said it yourself mate..................
you should have lost more weight before you started a cycle................
i can see a change with the 1st pic n the last as in the weight you have lost but nothing in muscle difference as you are carrying too much bf still...........imo...
props for posting pics mate i just think you have jumped on too early.............

Yea if I was lower BF you guys would defintely be seeing a difference. Legs are up 3/8" each and arms are 1/4" bigger each since the start of my cycle.
No worries, I "plan" on holding on to most of my gains and dropping BF down to 12% before going on the next cycle. That and my blood work comes back with good numbers.

I've had people that dont even know Im using tell me Im getting bigger, must a pic thing.
Ill post pics again at the end of week 8. So thats another 16 days from now.
Im up 6lbs and my waist is down a 1/2" since start of cycle.

What would you guys guess my BF% is in the last pic?

[LiftedDuramax2007]

honestly i don't think you should of cycled that way. You should of used Test prop instead and threw some t-3 and cyctomel, its also hard to tell how good your muscle gains have been since you have a high BF%. Sadly i consider this cycle to be a failure. but don't worry lots of people have failed on their cycle, including me to a degree.

Wouldnt it be a failure if I wasnt adding mass?

I wouldnt consider it a failure only because my BF is too high, but thats just me

[FireGuy]

Yea if I was lower BF you guys would defintely be seeing a difference. Legs are up 3/8" each and arms are 1/4" bigger each since the start of my cycle.
No worries, I "plan" on holding on to most of my gains and dropping BF down to 12% before going on the next cycle. That and my blood work comes back with good numbers.

I've had people that dont even know Im using tell me Im getting bigger, must a pic thing.
Ill post pics again at the end of week 8. So thats another 16 days from now.
Im up 6lbs and my waist is down a 1/2" since start of cycle.

What would you guys guess my BF% is in the last pic?

I would put you somewhere around 27-30% bodyfat in the after pics.

[stevey_6t9]

yeah cycled to early but dw you learn from your mistakes.

i do notice a difference in your before and after pics, so keep it going.

keep up the cardio and watch your diet very closely and i think you will be happy with the results

[Just2Big]

You have 7 weeks to go? How long have you been on cycle so far?

Since you are so high in BF%. How many calories a day are you eating? And whats your TDEE. Are you eating more or less and by how much?

[LiftedDuramax2007]

I would put you somewhere around 27-30% bodyfat in the after pics.

lol, no offense or to take anything away from you but you are way off. Youre telling me Im only 150lbs lean? The pics may not show it but all that in my chest and arms is muscle. There is no way in hell I could lose even another 35lbs of fat. I guess this is just motivation to cut down more after I get off cycle.

You have 7 weeks to go? How long have you been on cycle so far?

Since you are so high in BF%. How many calories a day are you eating? And whats your TDEE. Are you eating more or less and by how much?

Today is the end of week 5 and the start of week 6. Im eating 3200cals a day.
Im TDEE is roughly 3000 cals
I dont know how much more I can eat without feeling full 24/7 I already feel like Im full all the time. Just dont see how I can shove in more calories. guess I need to do some more cardio?

[FireGuy]

You dont think you have another 35lbs of fat to lose??? I dropped 50lbs my last contest diet and I started way leaner than that. Let me ask you then, what is your current weight and what do you think your bf% is?
Also, you honestly think all that size in your chest and arms is muscle? I dont want to flame but your pecs are droopy and you dont have a single vein showing. I would have never given my opinion except the fact you asked for it.

[LiftedDuramax2007]

No I appreciate your opinion, I was just taken back at your guesstimate. That is the largest guesstimate I have seen yet. I know the handheld devices and the body calipers aren’t accurate but even when I was 225 they read that I was mid 20%.
Im now 213lbs Im 6’ tall and yes my tits look droopy but I have fat at the tip of my tits for some reason. I don’t think its gyno cause its always been like that even before doing any PHs or starting this cycle. Im real veiny when I pick up heavy dumbbells and do shrugs.

I think im around 18%? I honestly think if I were to drop 10lbs of solid fat that I would have definition everywhere and show abs slightly.

My calves and legs are very defined compared to the rest of me.

[LiftedDuramax2007]

Would it help if I had my arm at my side and then flex my chest and then with my other hand pinch as much skin/fat as possible?
I “think” I have a lot more muscle under this fat than a lot of guys think I do. But I could be wrong?

I have a buddy who is 6’ and weighs 160lbs and is shredded everywhere. 8 pack, the whole nine yards. Im guessing hes 8%. Compared to him, Ive got an easy 15-20lbs of muscle on him.

[D7M]

I'm going to have to go with Fireguy on this one as well.

Again, no offense, but you could easily loose another 30lbs of fat.

I've never competed like Fireguy, but last summer I got down to a true 8% bf,

And let me tell you, when I was 12% I thought I was decently lean,

But it's not until you get REALLY lean (sub 10% lean) that you realize how much fat you are actually holding.

And this isn't to discredit what you've already done. You're making progress.

But in this game, you have to be brutally honest with yourself, which isn't always easy.

[gbrice75]

I don't know if Fireguy is that off on this, if i'm being honest. 30% might be a bit on the higher side, but no way are you below 25%. You definitely have some decent lean mass in the upper body area, but don't fall under the delusion that it isn't covered in bodyfat. Obviously your biggest problem area is the midsection, as it is for most of us guys.

Not trying to make you feel bad or anything, just being honest. Hey, I look like my shirt on a hanger, but I know it! =)

Good luck with the cut though, keep us posted.

[FireGuy]

No I appreciate your opinion, I was just taken back at your guesstimate. That is the largest guesstimate I have seen yet. I know the handheld devices and the body calipers aren’t accurate but even when I was 225 they read that I was mid 20%.
Im now 213lbs Im 6’ tall and yes my tits look droopy but I have fat at the tip of my tits for some reason. I don’t think its gyno cause its always been like that even before doing any PHs or starting this cycle. Im real veiny when I pick up heavy dumbbells and do shrugs.

I think im around 18%? I honestly think if I were to drop 10lbs of solid fat that I would have definition everywhere and show abs slightly.

My calves and legs are very defined compared to the rest of me.

I have been doing this a very long time and I guarantee you are a lot more than 10lbs away from having your abs show. You are right, the handheld devices are not very accurate and you are still carrying way too much bodyfat to get an accurate reading from the calipers as well. If you are 213 and used my estimate that would put you at about 154lbs of lean muscle. I think that is close to being accurate. I hope you lean out and show me different, just giving you my honest thoughts.

[Just2Big]

Why are you trying to gain weight? Are you even doing cardio and what are you eating? Not to be rude but you look like you never even touched a weight and your lifts are not impressive. I have cycled as a fat ass before. And I usually argue with people that you can do it. But you dont look like you have been lifting long or even at all. I hope you get some results out of your cycle but you need to do cardio, diet and lift properly for another year at least before you consider another cycle.

[LiftedDuramax2007]

I don't know if Fireguy is that off on this, if i'm being honest. 30% might be a bit on the higher side, but no way are you below 25%. You definitely have some decent lean mass in the upper body area, but don't fall under the delusion that it isn't covered in bodyfat. Obviously your biggest problem area is the midsection, as it is for most of us guys.

Not trying to make you feel bad or anything, just being honest. Hey, I look like my shirt on a hanger, but I know it! =)

Good luck with the cut though, keep us posted.

No all of this is giving me more determination to come out the way I want to

I have been doing this a very long time and I guarantee you are a lot more than 10lbs away from having your abs show. You are right, the handheld devices are not very accurate and you are still carrying way too much bodyfat to get an accurate reading from the calipers as well. If you are 213 and used my estimate that would put you at about 154lbs of lean muscle. I think that is close to being accurate. I hope you lean out and show me different, just giving you my honest thoughts.

I think I really need your guys help on my diet then, cause Im pretty sure its not my training that’s not working. So heres my diet please make adjustments to it for me.
I guess I might as well use this cycle to minimize muscle loss and go on a mild cut. What do you guys think? Then 2nd cycle make sure Im in the lower teens and use that cycle to bulk up.

Why are you trying to gain weight? Are you even doing cardio and what are you eating? Not to be rude but you look like you never even touched a weight and your lifts are not impressive. I have cycled as a fat ass before. And I usually argue with people that you can do it. But you dont look like you have been lifting long or even at all. I hope you get some results out of your cycle but you need to do cardio, diet and lift properly for another year at least before you consider another cycle.

If a 295lb bench, 335lb deadlift and a 700lb leg press shows I haven’t been touching weights than I might as well give up. I cant do squats because of uneven leg size and that cause some kind of pinching pain right above my right ass cheek right before my hips.

[LiftedDuramax2007]

Heres the diet, please make changes to it. I want to succeed some what on this cycle.
Meal #1 7am Protein Carbs Fat Calories
2 slices wheat bread 10 42 3 240
2 cans of tuna 44 0 2 175
2 fish oil 0 0 2.5 25
Total 54 42 7.5 440

Meal #2 10am
2 packets Oatmeal 8 38 4 200
1 scoop protein 24 4 1 130
1/2 cup egg whites 12 2 0 60
2 fish oil 0 0 2.5 25
1/2 cup yogurt 6 9 0 60
Total 50 53 7.5 475

Meal #3 12pm
Banana 1 31 0 130
1/2 cup yogurt 6 9 0 60
8oz of roast beef 52 0 12 360
Total 59 40 12 550

Meal #4 3pm
1/2 cup yogurt 6 9 0 60
1/2 cup egg whites 12 2 0 60
1 scoop protein 24 4 1 130
2 fish oil 0 0 2.5 25
1 packet of oatmeal 4 19 2 100
Total 46 34 5.5 375

Meal #5 5pm
1 slice wheat bread 5 21 1.5 120
2 cans of tuna 44 0 2 175
1/4 cup quinoa 6 27 2.5 160
Total 55 48 6 455

Meal #6 7:30pm
10oz steak 60 0 31 520
1/4 cup quinoa 6 27 2.5 160
Total 66 27 33.5 680

Meal #7 10pm
2 scoops casein 48 8 2 260
1 packet of oatmeal 4 19 2 100
2 fish oil pills 0 0 2.5 25
Total 52 27 6.5 385

Total 382p 271c 78.5f 3360cals

[Hard.On]

you know what,
You used to be a real fat guy!

Props for bettering yourself.. Its not e z to stop eating cheesies

[Damienm05]

Heres the diet, please make changes to it. I want to succeed some what on this cycle.
Meal #1 7am Protein Carbs Fat Calories
2 slices wheat bread 10 42 3 240 I'd replace this with 40g of a better source.
2 cans of tuna 44 0 2 175
2 fish oil 0 0 2.5 25
Total 54 42 7.5 440

Meal #2 10am
2 packets Oatmeal 8 38 4 200 3/4 cup oats.
1 scoop protein 24 4 1 130
1/2 cup egg whites 12 2 0 60
2 fish oil 0 0 2.5 25
1/2 cup yogurt 6 9 0 60 remove
Total 50 53 7.5 475

Meal #3 12pm
Banana 1 31 0 130 remove
1/2 cup yogurt 6 9 0 60 remove. Add 40g complex carbs via oats, sweet potato, quinoa, brown rice, lentils, beans, chickpeas, etc.
8oz of roast beef 52 0 12 360 93% lean ground or flank steak would be better. 6 oz.
Total 59 40 12 550

Meal #4 3pm
1/2 cup yogurt 6 9 0 60 remove
1/2 cup egg whites 12 2 0 60
1 scoop protein 24 4 1 130
2 fish oil 0 0 2.5 25
1 packet of oatmeal 4 19 2 100 have 1/2 cup oats.
Total 46 34 5.5 375

Meal #5 5pm
1 slice wheat bread 5 21 1.5 120 I'd cut this.
2 cans of tuna 44 0 2 175 I wouldn't eat 90g of protein via 2 tuna meals every day. Go for another source here - Tilapia, salmon, trout, chicken, bison, lean ground, lean steak, etc.
1/4 cup quinoa 6 27 2.5 160 Have 1/2 cup
Total 55 48 6 455

Meal #6 7:30pm
10oz steak 60 0 31 520 Reduce to a 6 oz. portion.
1/4 cup quinoa 6 27 2.5 160 Replace with 1 cup green vegetables.
Total 66 27 33.5 680

Meal #7 10pm
2 scoops casein 48 8 2 260
1 packet of oatmeal 4 19 2 100 Replace with 15-20g fat. Maybe 2 tbspn. natural PB
2 fish oil pills 0 0 2.5 25
Total 52 27 6.5 385

Total 382p 271c 78.5f 3360cals

I'd remove all carbs from your last 2 meals. I'd remove all carbs via sugar as well. That means no bananas or yogurt. I'd look to bring carbs down to 200 via these changes. I understand you're getting a good bit of protein from the yogurt but you're protein doesn't need to be above 300g IMO. Add 15g of fat to meal #7. Also, these oatmeal packets should be dropped in favor of plain old rolled oats. About 3/4 cup raw is 40g complex carbs and should be a staple. Also, even with my changes, you need to eat more vegetables. Look to have at least 3 cups of fibrous green veg throughout the day.

[LiftedDuramax2007]

I'd remove all carbs from your last 2 meals. I'd remove all carbs via sugar as well. That means no bananas or yogurt. I'd look to bring carbs down to 200 via these changes. I understand you're getting a good bit of protein from the yogurt but you're protein doesn't need to be above 300g IMO. Add 15g of fat to meal #7. Also, these oatmeal packets should be dropped in favor of plain old rolled oats. About 3/4 cup raw is 40g complex carbs and should be a staple. Also, even with my changes, you need to eat more vegetables. Look to have at least 3 cups of fibrous green veg throughout the day.

Thanks bud, I appreciate it. Ill have all these changes made by this weekend. Dont have time to do it by tomorrow.

[Just2Big]

you know what,
You used to be a real fat guy!

Props for bettering yourself.. Its not e z to stop eating cheesies

thats funny ^

[Just2Big]

No all of this is giving me more determination to come out the way I want to




I think I really need your guys help on my diet then, cause Im pretty sure its not my training that’s not working. So heres my diet please make adjustments to it for me.
I guess I might as well use this cycle to minimize muscle loss and go on a mild cut. What do you guys think? Then 2nd cycle make sure Im in the lower teens and use that cycle to bulk up.



If a 295lb bench, 335lb deadlift and a 700lb leg press shows I haven’t been touching weights than I might as well give up. I cant do squats because of uneven leg size and that cause some kind of pinching pain right above my right ass cheek right before my hips.

I have friends that dont work out and weight under 200lb that I seen put up 325+lbs. But fireguy thinks your around 154 lb muscle if I remember correct. so I guess 295 would be impressive. I didnt mean to sound rude I just think you really ran into your cycle. But I do hope you get good results. And you did a real good job all ready so let this fuel your rage and go hit the gym. Make sure you keep up on this thread and post some updated pics. Remember even though we may not agree with some things in the end we want you to do good. Take it with a grain of salt brother.

[Twist]

30 is about right.

[LiftedDuramax2007]

I have friends that dont work out and weight under 200lb that I seen put up 325+lbs. But fireguy thinks your around 154 lb muscle if I remember correct. so I guess 295 would be impressive. I didnt mean to sound rude I just think you really ran into your cycle. But I do hope you get good results. And you did a real good job all ready so let this fuel your rage and go hit the gym. Make sure you keep up on this thread and post some updated pics. Remember even though we may not agree with some things in the end we want you to do good. Take it with a grain of salt brother.

thanks bud

You know I didnt want to jump on this cycle but I had my test levels and other parameters tested and I was very low for being 29. The doc prescribed me those damn androderm patches. They didnt do shit, he did not want to do weekly injections for a TRT so I told myself screw him and took it upon myself. I had the Test E for over a year sitting here waiting for the right day and figured my test levels werent getting any better without putting it in me.