type of training while cutting?

[EternalStud]

Starting a cutting cycle here soon as following:

Week 1-10: Test Prop 75mg ed/525mg wk
Week 1-8: Tren Ace 50mg ed/350mg wk
along with clen for 10 weeks

During my bulking cycle I was training 2x a week with basic compound movements and little accessory work. I had great results but I felt it was tough to recover that quickly being a little bit sore when i'd go to lift the same bodypart.

I was wondering during cutting if I should stay with 2x a week or switch it up and go 1x week because ill be doing tons of cardio. My goal is drastically lower bf and gain some lean pounds. I've had many people say recovery takes place within 72hrs after lifting so twice a week should be fine. But others have said micro tear recover takes place at 72 hrs while building and strengthening of new muscle takes another 72hrs hence a full week of recovery is needed. I wanted to know your guys takes on the topic as im open to any new info that could benefit me and a lifter and help me continue to grow

[cherrydrpepper]

Need to know your stats, years training and what your split was before

[sixxer]

When cutting you should reduce frequency and volume by 1-2 thirds but maintain intensity.
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This provides the potential to maintain LBM while in a caloric deficit. Dropping weight (intensity) and increasing reps/volume is counterproductive. If intensity is dropped and calories are restricted but volume increased, the body assumes the LBM required to lift the previous heavier weights are no longer necessary, and as calories are reduced but energy expenditure is increased through more volume, the extra fuel (glycogen & protein) will come from your muscles. But if intensity is maintained, the same LBM is required, volume is dropped resulting in less glycogen needs and appropriate cardio will take energy from bodyfat when calories are restricted.

So if you were hitting each lift/muscle group twice a week with a total of 20-24 sets in the 8-12 rep range. Reduce frequency to once a week and drop sets to 8-16, you may be able to keep the same rep range while on cycle, but may need to drop the reps to <8. You can determine this yourself best.

[EternalStud]

When cutting you should reduce frequency and volume by 1-2 thirds but maintain intensity.
.
This provides the potential to maintain LBM while in a caloric deficit. Dropping weight (intensity) and increasing reps/volume is counterproductive. If intensity is dropped and calories are restricted but volume increased, the body assumes the LBM required to lift the previous heavier weights are no longer necessary, and as calories are reduced but energy expenditure is increased through more volume, the extra fuel (glycogen & protein) will come from your muscles. But if intensity is maintained, the same LBM is required, volume is dropped resulting in less glycogen needs and appropriate cardio will take energy from bodyfat when calories are restricted.

So if you were hitting each lift/muscle group twice a week with a total of 20-24 sets in the 8-12 rep range. Reduce frequency to once a week and drop sets to 8-16, you may be able to keep the same rep range while on cycle, but may need to drop the reps to <8. You can determine this yourself best.

awesome sounds good. right now im running 8x4's for a natty bulk gain some mass then switch to 3x7's or 4x6's for all out strength.which would be more apprpriate? and should this be once or twice a week for optimal strength? This time ill have tren as well so its complicated to know if itd be better once or twice a week.

[sixxer]

So you're currently off cycle and bulking with 8 sets of 4? 8x4 is more of a strength than bulk program, bulking you really should be hitting 6-8 reps for compounds, 8-12 for iso work.

And you're going to start your cut on a tren+test cycle? And what to know what kind of set x rep scheme to go with?

[EternalStud]

So you're currently off cycle and bulking with 8 sets of 4? 8x4 is more of a strength than bulk program, bulking you really should be hitting 6-8 reps for compounds, 8-12 for iso work.

And you're going to start your cut on a tren+test cycle? And what to know what kind of set x rep scheme to go with?

how is that more strength? its got higher reps than 5 usually meaning its more for growth then strength. 8-10reps is prime for hypertrophy and strength. 10-12+ is for hypertrophy only, 12+ is endurance. 3-6 = strength. For tren I plan to go 4x6 for major strength and hardening.

[sixxer]

Oh, you put your set x rep scheme in reverse?

I interpreted 8x4 as 8 sets of 4 reps.

1-5 reps = strength
6-8 reps = hypertrophy/strength for compounds
8-12 reps = hypertrophy for iso work


So on your Tren cycle, are you going to be in a caloric deficit?

If so, you might get away with your normal frequency and volume for 1-4 weeks, depending on how much bodyfat you're carrying and how the AAS works. I would at least attempt to maintain all three variables (volume, frequency and intensity), and pay attention to your progress. As progression becomes harder, or at first signs of slowing, I would drop frequency to once a week and volume of sets and reps as required.

[EternalStud]

Oh, you put your set x rep scheme in reverse?

I interpreted 8x4 as 8 sets of 4 reps.

1-5 reps = strength
6-8 reps = hypertrophy/strength for compounds
8-12 reps = hypertrophy for iso work


So on your Tren cycle, are you going to be in a caloric deficit?

If so, you might get away with your normal frequency and volume for 1-4 weeks, depending on how much bodyfat you're carrying and how the AAS works. I would at least attempt to maintain all three variables (volume, frequency and intensity), and pay attention to your progress. As progression becomes harder, or at first signs of slowing, I would drop frequency to once a week and volume of sets and reps as required.

That's what I was thinking. But I am going to change my reps from 8x4 (hypertrophy/strength) to 4x6. it should keep intensity high, but drop volume which should be ok during cutting 2x a week. I wont get as sore since I won't be going to failure. Plus it isnt hypertrophy training where you're usually much more sore than strength training because in strenght training it isnt the goal to break down the muscle all the way at all, just to establish better neuromuscular contractions hence strength. Sure i'll gain some mass because of high protein diet and the tren/test combo, albeit not much, but im mostly looking for strength.