start of the 3rd week of my cycle and no "pumps"

[TrippleD]

Ive cycled several times before and have had great results. I just orderd some gear from a over seas company offering "tripple" filtered Test and Deca. I got a 10cc bottle of 300 test cyp and 10cc bottle 300 Deca. I started week 1 using 300 test and 300 deca. week2 300 test 300 Deca. Now im on week 3 and i took 600 test and i have yet to feel any pumps durring a workout!! my gains have been slow and i feel like ive only put on a few pounds. So did i get ripped off??? or is the shit i got really weak?? and or both?? It's oil based and seems to desolve rather quickly once in my glute....

[big_ron]

man i dont think you have enough gear to do a full cycle if you only have 10cc's of each compound at 300mg, 300mg of test is low you should be doing 500mg and also you should prob run the test higher dosage than the deca, and stop the deca 2 weeks before the test at the end of you cycle, not sure what your going to do now, you dont have enough, can you get more?

[TrippleD]

Week
1. 300 test 300 deca
2. 300 test 300 deca
3. 600 test 300 deca
4. 600 test 300 deca
5. 300 test 300 deca
6. 300 test 300 deca
7. 300 test 300 deca
8. 300 test 300 deca
9-12 clen and tons of cardio.....
i have other sources for test and other gear.
im also 6'3'' 280lbs 21% body fat right now. Im an athlete and cant really afford to put on too much weight thats why i keep my test and deca to a min.

[TrippleD]

ive also been real successful just doing a shot of sust 250 every 10 days for 12 weeks at a time. im already big i just like to be a little bigger stonger and faster....

[big_ron]

you cant afford to put on much weight yet you wanna get bigger? you probably shoudnt be running deca then, instead doing a lean bulk cycle with just test e or c and some whinny, or maybe test p and winny,

your bf% is fairly high, the sides of the compounds are increased the higher the bf%, you should have waited till you got it to 15% min before you cycled, but its a bit late now

personally i would cut the deca out and get more test, if your going to shut your natural test down you may aswell do 500mg instead of 300mg per week for 12weeks and see more gains.

^^^that cycle doesnt look any good, you should run the test c for 10-12 weeks, 8 weeks is to short for a long ester test, and as i said before you should stop the deca 2 weeks before the test.

do you have PCT? and if so what does it look like?

[TrippleD]

PCT?? The profile pic i put up was me 3 weeks ago at 265lbs. Im now round 278lbs. Reading bout what you said is probably correct. i should just stick with Test for now @ 500wk. I can get more soon... Ive read that it's good to do 8 week cycles and take 3 to 4 weeks off then start up all over again to max out my gains year round. Being an athlete im also more interested in my over all fitness,power and endurance training. im new to this site and i appreciate your advise.

[Big]

PCT?? The profile pic i put up was me 3 weeks ago at 265lbs. Im now round 278lbs. Reading bout what you said is probably correct. i should just stick with Test for now @ 500wk. I can get more soon... Ive read that it's good to do 8 week cycles and take 3 to 4 weeks off then start up all over again to max out my gains year round. Being an athlete im also more interested in my over all fitness,power and endurance training. im new to this site and i appreciate your advise.

how tall are you?
the part of your quote in bold is so wrong I don't know where to start.

[lovbyts]

PCT?? The profile pic i put up was me 3 weeks ago at 265lbs. Im now round 278lbs. Reading bout what you said is probably correct. i should just stick with Test for now @ 500wk. I can get more soon... Ive read that it's good to do 8 week cycles and take 3 to 4 weeks off then start up all over again to max out my gains year round. Being an athlete im also more interested in my over all fitness,power and endurance training. im new to this site and i appreciate your advise.

Ohhh damn! wrong on many levels.
Best thing you can do is STOP all/any cycles NOW. Do a PCT

learn how to diet/eat and exercise. Seeing your profile pic you are a good year away from being ready to cycle at the least. Not being harsh, only honest.

As stated above with your high body fat you are at risk for many serious side effects.

Also your gear may be perfectly OK but 100% your diet and workout is not. With higher body fat, not already being in shape it minimizes the gains greatly.

It's like putting 120 octane gas into a stock pinto and expecting it to run like a race car LOL If you are lucky you dont burn out the motor but you wont get any/minimal gains from it.

Yes you are a Pinto. OK Pinto may be harsh, Stock Camaro? (Non high performance) You need to be a corvette (modified) before you do any AAS so you can turn into a Ferrari.

Now visit the diet section and learn how to eat/diet and stay in the gym working out 5x a week for the next year before thinking about doing any AAS

[TrippleD]

Just to let everyone know that i never even mention anything about my diet or exercise program but since you asked..... I eat like a champ!
Breakfast: Cup of oatmeal Half a bananna 10 egg whites 2 whole eggs and scoop of nitro tech.
Lunch: 2 chicken breast 1 cup brown rice.
Dinner: Lean steak or chicken with a sweet potatoe and 2 cup's fatfree Cottage cheese.

before and after my workouts i drink 2 scoop nitro tech protein shake.
I workout 3 days on 1 day off routein:
Mon: 1/2hr cardio then lift chest and back 4 diffrent exercises per bodypart 4X10reps.
then finish off with another half hour of high intensity cardio.
tues: 1/2 hour cardio then lift shoulders and arms 4 diffrent exercises per bodypart 4x10reps then finish off with 1/2 hour high intensity cardio.
wed: 1/2hour cardio then lift legs 4 diffrent exercises 4x10 reps. then 1/2hr cardio
thurs: rest
then start all over again..... i also do stomach everyday.
i Managed a GNC For 3 1/2 years and played division one football for a major college. Ive workout my whole life ive just never been a bodybuilder for sport.
Maybe i read the article wrong but dosen't Ronnie Rowland talk about 8 week cycles in a article in this very forum??? Anyway guy's i was just looking for some positive feedback and the pic i put up is my most recent all natural look. ive had very successful cycles where i looked 10x better.

[Durka Durka]

PCT??? It's post cycle therapy and if u don't know what it is your going to be in bad shape whenever u are done cycling.

[TrippleD]

OH! i have clomid and also i am using tamoxifen.

[gixxerboy1]

Just to let everyone know that i never even mention anything about my diet or exercise program but since you asked..... I eat like a champ!
Breakfast: Cup of oatmeal Half a bananna 10 egg whites 2 whole eggs and scoop of nitro tech.
Lunch: 2 chicken breast 1 cup brown rice.
Dinner: Lean steak or chicken with a sweet potatoe and 2 cup's fatfree Cottage cheese.

I didnt even read your workout. But your diet needs work. Check out the diet forum on here.

[matt77]

Bro No offense at all but you are headed down a dangerous path. Your AAS knowledge is little at best, your diet sucks, your workout needs work, and all this combined with you being an athlete is setting you up for failure.

Spend some time on here and learn how to do things properly before you mess yourself up and end up on TRT for life.

[TrippleD]

Thanks all for the advise!

[thenextcutler]

seems the thread derailed... but as for the original question, I never experienced real gains in strength, vascularity, pumps, size until week 4-5-ish

give it more time? mine was test only, you're using deca but thats supposed to take even longer to kick in.

[ScotchGuard]

Long esters take at least 4 weeks to "kick in".

[lovbyts]

If ALL you are looking for is positive feedback there are lots of forums where people will tell you what you want to hear. This forum people tend to tell it like it is.

Your body fat is WAY to high to be considering doing a cycle. Your profile picture is NOT natural because you have done past cycles. That being said it's even a more sad case that you are that high of body fat and cycling, you should know better.

What are you goals? To gain more fat, water weigh, gyno? Those you should archive without much problem. Putting on LEAN muscle? Nope, not likely or at least not much due to diet and body fat. Eating to much and wrong does not = eating like a champ.

You need to learn how to diet and exercise and get your body fat down to under 15% or less before doing a cycle.

[TrippleD]

To next cutler and scotch gaurd Thanks! im actually just starting to feel the test and deca kck in!!
Lovbyts: Bro no offenses but i dont really think you know what the hell your talking about! I havent cycled in 18 months and yes i was natural in my pic.
Next, i was in shape when i started and my diet is right on for my me and my body type. i eat about 3800 cal a day and burn 1200 doing my cardio alone. 260-300 GRAMS OF PROTEIN. AROUND 250 GRAMS OF COMPLEX CARBS AND 40 GRAMS OF FAT. I ALSO SUPP WITH FISH AND FLAX OIL.
The fact ive started cycles before at 21% bodyfat and finished a 12 week cycle at 12% while gaing 21lbs in the process should speak for it's self!
So stay tuned my friend cause in around 9 weeks i'll put up my new pic's and you can eat your words!
And bro ive played Div 1 college football and pro football in canada and you think we dont know how to lift??? Bro we live in the gym!! Thats all we do is lift weights!! and do stenghth training! so dont tell me i need to learn how to exercise.

[gixxerboy1]

To next cutler and scotch gaurd Thanks! im actually just starting to feel the test and deca kck in!!
Lovbyts: Bro no offenses but i dont really think you know what the hell your talking about! I havent cycled in 18 months and yes i was natural in my pic.
Next, i was in shape when i started and my diet is right on for my me and my body type. i eat about 3800 cal a day and burn 1200 doing my cardio alone. 260-300 GRAMS OF PROTEIN. AROUND 250 GRAMS OF COMPLEX CARBS AND 40 GRAMS OF FAT. I ALSO SUPP WITH FISH AND FLAX OIL.
The fact ive started cycles before at 21% bodyfat and finished a 12 week cycle at 12% while gaing 21lbs in the process should speak for it's self!
So stay tuned my friend cause in around 9 weeks i'll put up my new pic's and you can eat your words!
And bro ive played Div 1 college football and pro football in canada and you think we dont know how to lift??? Bro we live in the gym!! Thats all we do is lift weights!! and do stenghth training! so dont tell me i need to learn how to exercise.

lovbyts is correct. if you are 21% bf your diet is not correct

[TrippleD]

^^^^^^ im dieting correctly now! i was eating excess cal durring football season and got up to 21% body fat.

Also im not talking about me but dont Pro bodybuilders Look like cows during the off season and eat a shit ton of calories, go from like 300lbs to 240 for competitions???? Didnt Lee Priest look like a fat ass off season??
he propbably at one point had a very high body fat % before he got ripped out.
let me know if im wrong about this.
Im not claiming to be a bodybuilder i just want to get my strength up and dont really care about how i look in front of the mirrior.
In general if i wanted to i could eat 7000 calories a day do no cardio put on 50lbs in 12 weeks then drop my calories to 3000 take clen, t3 and live on a treadmill for six weeks and get ripped out. Im not trying to do that though! im just trying to diet right and keep in shape and get some added muscle and strength. Thanks.

[lovbyts]

To next cutler and scotch gaurd Thanks! im actually just starting to feel the test and deca kck in!!
Lovbyts: Bro no offenses but i dont really think you know what the hell your talking about! I havent cycled in 18 months and yes i was natural in my pic.
Next, i was in shape when i started and my diet is right on for my me and my body type. i eat about 3800 cal a day and burn 1200 doing my cardio alone. 260-300 GRAMS OF PROTEIN. AROUND 250 GRAMS OF COMPLEX CARBS AND 40 GRAMS OF FAT. I ALSO SUPP WITH FISH AND FLAX OIL.
The fact ive started cycles before at 21% bodyfat and finished a 12 week cycle at 12% while gaing 21lbs in the process should speak for it's self!
So stay tuned my friend cause in around 9 weeks i'll put up my new pic's and you can eat your words!
And bro ive played Div 1 college football and pro football in canada and you think we dont know how to lift??? Bro we live in the gym!! Thats all we do is lift weights!! and do stenghth training! so dont tell me i need to learn how to exercise.

good deal, I will watch for it because it will be the first time and you will be the first one in over 2 years. LOL

Even if you make it, you could have made it much easier and had much better results by doing it naturally and getting ready for the cycle instead of expecting the AAS to do the work for you.

[TrippleD]

Very true! i should of dropped more body fat before i started a cycle and i would encourage others to do the same. Im just a really impatient type of person. I did however work out hard for a good 8 weeks before i started my cycle, including cardio. i could of however cleaned up my diet alot better before starting and you are right on about that.
Im alittle more motavated now cause i want to prove my point so thanks bro! hope all is good

[thenextcutler]

no offense to anyone but that natural max thing is bullshit. why the hell would I even consider taking steroids if I was going to go that route. Show me one person that hit natural max before juicing and I'll show you a liar. Plateaus don't count either. Face it, all of you take gear to cut corners and get quick results.

Again this isn't directed at anyone, but here's the real steroid rule: IF and only IF you know how to eat and diet then it doesn't matter when you decide to cycle (so long as your not a teenager!).

and you made an excellent point about Lee Priest

[lovbyts]

no offense to anyone but that natural max thing is bullshit. why the hell would I even consider taking steroids if I was going to go that route. Show me one person that hit natural max before juicing and I'll show you a liar. Plateaus don't count either. Face it, all of you take gear to cut corners and get quick results.

Again this isn't directed at anyone, but here's the real steroid rule: IF and only IF you know how to eat and diet then it doesn't matter when you decide to cycle (so long as your not a teenager!).

and you made an excellent point about Lee Priest

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=392745

Just because you, I and MOST of us dont have the dedication doesn't mean no one does. Yes few do and they are the ones we should follow as an example.
He is natural, no cycles yet. Yes you can. I wish I had half his dedication. No actually I want all his dedication LOL

[thenextcutler]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=392745

Just because you, I and MOST of us dont have the dedication doesn't mean no one does. Yes few do and they are the ones we should follow as an example.
He is natural, no cycles yet. Yes you can. I wish I had half his dedication. No actually I want all his dedication LOL

But why? Who cares? I'm not gonna earn a good effort badge.
as for it being more effective in the long run, ask all the Mr Olympias... who all started in there teens.

[thenextcutler]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=392745

Just because you, I and MOST of us dont have the dedication doesn't mean no one does. Yes few do and they are the ones we should follow as an example.
He is natural, no cycles yet. Yes you can. I wish I had half his dedication. No actually I want all his dedication LOL

lol I just looked at your link, I guess you think Skip La Cour is natural too...

[TrippleD]

The next cutler youre right on and completly agree! and dude on the thread stated that he had done a cycle with a trainer........that cat is really young too! he looks great but i imagine his kidney's took a giant hit with all those diuretics. he dose look great but he's really to young to be taxing his body like that.

[dec11]

Just to let everyone know that i never even mention anything about my diet or exercise program but since you asked..... I eat like a champ! Breakfast: Cup of oatmeal Half a bananna 10 egg whites 2 whole eggs and scoop of nitro tech.
Lunch: 2 chicken breast 1 cup brown rice.
Dinner: Lean steak or chicken with a sweet potatoe and 2 cup's fatfree Cottage cheese.

before and after my workouts i drink 2 scoop nitro tech protein shake.
I workout 3 days on 1 day off routein:
Mon: 1/2hr cardio then lift chest and back 4 diffrent exercises per bodypart 4X10reps.
then finish off with another half hour of high intensity cardio.
tues: 1/2 hour cardio then lift shoulders and arms 4 diffrent exercises per bodypart 4x10reps then finish off with 1/2 hour high intensity cardio.
wed: 1/2hour cardio then lift legs 4 diffrent exercises 4x10 reps. then 1/2hr cardio
thurs: rest
then start all over again..... i also do stomach everyday.
i Managed a GNC For 3 1/2 years and played division one football for a major college. Ive workout my whole life ive just never been a bodybuilder for sport.
Maybe i read the article wrong but dosen't Ronnie Rowland talk about 8 week cycles in a article in this very forum??? Anyway guy's i was just looking for some positive feedback and the pic i put up is my most recent all natural look. ive had very successful cycles where i looked 10x better.

er, no you dont!!